Bard Wurf with AOE nerf?

[Indecisive]

Originally Posted by Darksinga [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

#2. Name one bard ability that generates enough threat to hold over any reliable DPS? The "real" aggro ability that every one in this thread is referring to is 50+. Something that won't be on Green until Kunark (years away?)

#3. What kind of group would even get a bard to tank, especially in classic? Sure, if you were in Kunark and beyond and desperate, go for it. A bard may be a plate class, but they are far from a tanking class.

Level 20 AoE slow, level 23 slow/snare, even mez works well to keep aggro. 2 - 3 shots of any of them at the beginning of the fight, then keep it in at the end of your twist. But you've been barding for twenty years, so surely you don't need anyone to tell you this?

I tanked quite often while leveling with low-mid tier equipment. I stopped playing him in the mid 30's, but I tanked at least once in every zone I leveled in. From Crushbone, to Unrest, to Mistmoore, to Sol A, to Highkeep. I expect to see many a bard fill that role on Green, likely due to a tank shortage, and Warriors without good threat weapons.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Darksinga [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

#1. Thread was derailed as I was strictly referring to AOE kiting.

#2. Name one bard ability that generates enough threat to hold over any reliable DPS? The "real" aggro ability that every one in this thread is referring to is 50+. Something that won't be on Green until Kunark (years away?)

#3. What kind of group would even get a bard to tank, especially in classic? Sure, if you were in Kunark and beyond and desperate, go for it. A bard may be a plate class, but they are far from a tanking class.

Well this comment didn't age well

[Wallicker]

Selos consonant strain is lvl 23 and spammed will out aggro anything on green and it snare/slows, plus bard can fear and regen, a bard is an ideal tank for casters/pet classes because you can aggro kite in small circles while pets destroy with no need to ever heal so they can keep max level pets and not waste pet components

[Chaplain]

How does a bard hold agro off anyone? Gee I don't know maybe Mez or Slow? When I am just slowing a MOB I usually pull enough hate to keep agro when I don't want it. Just chain casting slow (no twists) will guarantee agro and I have only played a bard for a month.

[Albane]

You guys all need to shut up. Bards suck, don't roll one. They can't solo, they can't duo, they can't group, and they can't solo all the way to Nagafen and Vox waiting on a raid in Classic. /s

[Tenlaar]

A bard spamming mez is the best tank for fighting casters too, they're not getting any spells off.

But I mean who during untwinked classic era would want a tank that can reliably lull, pull with situational mega resist buffs, mez adds, charm DPS, and 35% slow while bringing the best HP regen in the game along with having the most mana regen in the game for downtime, amirite?

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

Mez/Slow even at lv 23 (which im at) utterly aggros. On green i cant see how without a proc weapon or something a tank could reliably take it back withouit the bard quitting it and stopping attacking.

I guess if someone rooted the mob and the bard stood well back?

Dunno, im just a newb bard anyway.

[aaezil]

Dark either really clueless about bard songs or really bad troll

[astuce999]

Originally Posted by aaezil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dark either really clueless about bard songs or really bad troll

Not sure if he deserves it, but in his 'defense', if he matured as a bard only after Luclin came out, there was a massive nerf to bard aggro because of AE songs at the time, and any bard leveling after that era rightly believes bards have an incredibly hard time holding aggro.

Astuce

[Darksinga]

Originally Posted by astuce999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not sure if he deserves it, but in his 'defense', if he matured as a bard only after Luclin came out, there was a massive nerf to bard aggro because of AE songs at the time, and any bard leveling after that era rightly believes bards have an incredibly hard time holding aggro.

Astuce

Pretty much spot on. I played in the trilogy while I was very young and didn’t get into the game fully as a Bard until a few expansions in. I haven’t played on P99 blue, just Red and many other servers and live, where keeping aggro as a bard was near impossible.

Still surprised to see many people that want bards to tank with their incredibly low STA and other melee stats.

One thing that didn’t change was how squishy bards were. Yes, we wear plate, but our melee stats are fairly low. I feel like people are bard tanking with fungis on Blue and translate that to wanting to MT on Green.