Guild summit

[feniin]

Originally Posted by Puluin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My guild follows the posted raid rules. If it's not in raid faq then it's not a real rule and is simply a temporary agreement by two people that literally no one else outside of those people has to follow.

Also from listening to the audio... it is very unclear what actually got agreed on. Sounded more like multiple guilds all arguing over who was more important for their personal opinion to matter. Sure didn't seem like any suggestions were put forth for the benefit of the server as a whole. Instead it 100% sounded like each guild trying to adjust the rules in their favor.

What guild are you in? Dawn Believers is just about the only large guild outside of the agreements.

[Puluin]

Originally Posted by feniin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What guild are you in? Dawn Believers is just about the only large guild outside of the agreements.

The who is irrelevant. But DB is a good example. Let's say they actually get together and compete for these raid targets. Since they are outside these agreements, what makes them abide by some unwritten rule? Where do they go to learn said rules?

Considering the toxic environment in the raid scene, I'd be hard pressed to believe anyone at their word without a posted rule in forum to.reference.

Edit: afterthought: why does it need to be a large guild? A guild of 10-18 people is still a guild and if they're all 60, it is not any sort of stretch to state they could easily be a part of the raid scene and compete. It's been proven over and over that large numbers are not absolutely required for a raid target.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Puluin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Where do they go to learn said rules?

http://wiki.project1999.com/FTE_Race_Lines [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Seriously, Feniin already made it clear that there were no new server-wide raid rules introduced at the summit. Logically that means the old rules (which AFAIK are best documented on that wiki page, and of course on the main rules page) are still in effect.

[Synthlol]

Originally Posted by Puluin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sounded more like multiple guilds all arguing over who was more important for their personal opinion to matter. Sure didn't seem like any suggestions were put forth for the benefit of the server as a whole. Instead it 100% sounded like each guild trying to adjust the rules in their favor.

Accurate af

Anyone who expected anything else was delusional

[feniin]

All of the things agreed to at the player summit were player agreements between the current raiding guilds. None of it applies to the rest of the server.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by feniin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All of the things agreed to at the player summit were player agreements between the current raiding guilds. None of it applies to the rest of the server.

Sounds like /thread to me then.

[Legidias]

The targets in question are not gonna be downed by a 10-18 crew of fresh-to-raid scene 60's. It is a very far stretch that they would be competing for raids where even AM would have to field 20+ and even at the minimum there it would be sketch.

If a whole 30+ member group of 60's (who would only really be able to contest Gore / Sev within the "new" rules) suddenly popped up and started raiding, we can discuss it then, but that really hasn't happened.

[planarity]

As many people are pointing out, there is a difference between server rules and agreements between guilds. I totally agree that both should be posted publicly for everyone to see; the place to post player agreements would be raid discussion and I would post them there myself, but as Ulgromm mentioned, we still haven't been given access. Rogean is the only one who can do that and he hasn't done it in at least a year. Detoxx has access and could do it if he wanted to. Currently they're stored in a discord that only officers from certain guilds have access to.

[planarity]

and as a sidenote for gore....server rules require you start at a zoneline, and the portals count as zonelines because you can port there. So the player agreement doesn't violate the server rules, we've just chosen one particular zoneline to race from, for a number of reasons.

[Puluin]

Originally Posted by planarity [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

and as a sidenote for gore....server rules require you start at a zoneline, and the portals count as zonelines because you can port there. So the player agreement doesn't violate the server rules, we've just chosen one particular zoneline to race from, for a number of reasons.

Except your player agreement made it into the server raid rules without much discussion ( as appears from an outside perspective ) which effectively eliminates several zone lines for potential races. Gore only states the rings as the start point... this was my issue. BW zoneline is infact a legit zoneline for a race if said guild decided to do that instead of porting in... but not now according to raid rules.