Single mob camping rules?

[Uuruk]

Originally Posted by wtsgoodtime [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Further questions on this. I logged into PoM yesterday (maybe 2 days ago?) and found A4 empty and down. After sitting for a few minutes, 1 halfing spawned and I went and got a pet and killed it. While waiting for the 2nd halfling to spawn, approximately 10 minutes later, a local friendly shaman (who I would normally find respectable) rolled up with /afk tag on. I didn't think anything of it as I am sitting there holding a charmed pet waiting for the 2nd halfling to spawn. A few minutes later, it spawns and the shaman instantly pulls and acts like nothing is wrong.

Now clearly I had the camp... it had been around 20 minutes past the first spawn and the shaman wanted the camp back. I won't name the shaman, but he can feel free to pipe up if he wants. He claimed he didn't know he was in a race. Well, ok, but two things: 1) I am sitting there with a charmed pet and I am there before you (you are 20 minutes late of first spawn). You should at least say something if you think there is a contest. and 2) You can't come back 20 minutes after the camp respawns and retake it with "I didn't know it was a race".

If I am wrong about this, please inform me of the correct rules.

Ultimately, since I don't want to be a dick, I just let him take the camp, broke my charm, calmed my pet, and logged off.

edit: Now my thoughts are these kinds of infractions are not worthy of petitioning someone. I also consider my server reputation when I let people push me off a camp. I'd rather the rules be clearer so I don't have to take a server rep hit nor cause someone to be suspended or banned because of some misunderstanding.

I respect your opinion but remind yourself you are farming PoM in 2019.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by wtsgoodtime [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Further questions on this. I logged into PoM yesterday (maybe 2 days ago?) and found A4 empty and down. After sitting for a few minutes, 1 halfing spawned and I went and got a pet and killed it. While waiting for the 2nd halfling to spawn, approximately 10 minutes later, a local friendly shaman (who I would normally find respectable) rolled up with /afk tag on. I didn't think anything of it as I am sitting there holding a charmed pet waiting for the 2nd halfling to spawn. A few minutes later, it spawns and the shaman instantly pulls and acts like nothing is wrong.

Now clearly I had the camp... it had been around 20 minutes past the first spawn and the shaman wanted the camp back. I won't name the shaman, but he can feel free to pipe up if he wants. He claimed he didn't know he was in a race. Well, ok, but two things: 1) I am sitting there with a charmed pet and I am there before you (you are 20 minutes late of first spawn). You should at least say something if you think there is a contest. and 2) You can't come back 20 minutes after the camp respawns and retake it with "I didn't know it was a race".

If I am wrong about this, please inform me of the correct rules.

Ultimately, since I don't want to be a dick, I just let him take the camp, broke my charm, calmed my pet, and logged off.

edit: Now my thoughts are these kinds of infractions are not worthy of petitioning someone. I also consider my server reputation when I let people push me off a camp. I'd rather the rules be clearer so I don't have to take a server rep hit nor cause someone to be suspended or banned because of some misunderstanding.

As the Shaman in question I have a slightly different recollection of someone taking a mob from a camp I'd been doing for hours without a problem and then quickly conceding that it was in fact my camp when caught, only to go all Rants and Flames an hour later in OOC on a different character.

Iif you really want to get into this I'll happily share my side of the story in Rants and Flames but not in a rules clarification thread. Suffice it to say that as far as any rules question goes, the rules give a camp holder a reasonable amount of time to re-kill their spawn, and the GMs will make a call in-game using facts they have access to to decide whether someone took a reasonable amount of time or not.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Menden [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you're ever set on camping something and want the guidelines /petition is always an option.

Can we talk about just this part? Would it maybe, just maybe, make sense to publish those rules outside of the in-game petition system (which then gets parroted and turned into pseudo rules passed around the forum)? In other words, can we put what you just wrote, in a more refined form, in the official rules?

I know you GMs like your rules ambiguity so that you have full discretion to make rulings, and you should have that discretion: but can't we get a win win here? Can't you define explicit, public rules that the whole server can be clear on ... while at the same time asserting "but we can do whatever the crap we want in game, we're GMs bitches!!!" [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And FWIW I'd freely volunteer my time, in any capacity that I could be useful, to help make that happen. My time's not worth a lot since I'm not staff, but I'm a former Lit major (good at English editing) and wiki addict (good at wiki editing, if we wanted to put the rules in an admin-locked wiki page so we don't have a bunch of different copies floating around the forums ... which would be awesome).

[I Felt Nostalgic]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can we talk about just this part? Would it maybe, just maybe, make sense to publish those rules outside of the in-game petition system (which then gets parroted and turned into pseudo rules passed around the forum)?

I know you GMs like your rules ambiguity so that you have full discretion to make rulings, and you should have that discretion: but can't we get a win win here? Can't you define explicit, public rules that the whole server can be clear on ... while at the same time asserting "but we can do whatever the crap we want in game, we're GMs bitches!!!" [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And FWIW I'd freely volunteer my time, in any capacity that I could be useful, to help make that happen. My time's not worth a lot since I'm not staff, but I'm a former Lit major (good at English editing) and wiki addict (good at wiki editing, if we wanted to put the rules in an admin-locked wiki page so we don't have a bunch of different copies floating around the forums ... which would be awesome).

Here ya go!
https://www.project1999.com/forums/a...ement.php?f=33

[loramin]

Originally Posted by I Felt Nostalgic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here ya go!
https://www.project1999.com/forums/a...ement.php?f=33

I'm no guide. I <3 this game and this server but I just don't have it in me to play customer service rep to a bunch of entitled players like myself [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] I'm just so grateful that others are and that I get to play on such a well run server as a result of their volunteer efforts.

Instead I look for other opportunities to contribute back to the project. For instance, at former GM Derubael's request I wrote the very detailed (and heavily screenshotted) Titanium Installation Guide that you can find in the wiki.

Doing a rules "revamp" and including stuff like Menden's post in more official language seems like something I might be able to add some value to, but it's entirely up to the staff whether any such project is even warranted.

[I Felt Nostalgic]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm no guide. I <3 this game and this server but I just don't have it in me to play customer service rep to a bunch of entitled players like myself [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] I'm just so grateful that others are and that I get to play on such a well run server as a result of their volunteer efforts.

Instead I look for other opportunities to contribute back to the project. For instance, at former GM Derubael's request I wrote the very detailed (and heavily screenshotted) Titanium Installation Guide that you can find in the wiki.

Doing a rules "revamp" and including stuff like Menden's post in more official language seems like something I might be able to add some value to, but it's entirely up to the staff whether any such project is even warranted.

I understand and I guess it would depend on if you were given any forum powers. If you are in any way able to create havoc, I think it would be fair to have you submit a formal application like guides do so you can be monitored if you decide to go rogue at any point.


"With great power comes great responsibility." ~ Uncle Ben

[Isey]

I'm new to the server (as a regular player, popped in here and there before this more serious play session) and I've spent a lot of time at two camps : Sarnak Courier, single spawn point (20 hours over 5 days) and Ancient Croc, Uguk (level 30-37).

Not once, at either, were there ever a single problem - and tons of traffic at both. People are very polite and respectful and many will buff, and then ask if it wasnt too much trouble if they could be next in line and send them a tell.

Too many rules just makes it easier for a jerk to break them.

(stories:

1. I asked a level 50 on the AC camp if I could kill the Crocs, because they are decent XP, if he got to keep the loot. No problems.

2. I Once I sold a pair of GS Leggings for 100 plat to a guy who didn't want the XP there but really wanted the leggings for a alt. The 100p let him move on and me get the camp. The very next spawn was an AC, that dropped another pair. I tried to give him his money back but he refused and instead, he bought them off of me for full market price to give to another alt.

Anyway, think it's pretty simple and while these are lower level camps the same common sense and kindness can apply.

[Menden]

Originally Posted by Isey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm new to the server (as a regular player, popped in here and there before this more serious play session) and I've spent a lot of time at two camps : Sarnak Courier, single spawn point (20 hours over 5 days) and Ancient Croc, Uguk (level 30-37).

Not once, at either, were there ever a single problem - and tons of traffic at both. People are very polite and respectful and many will buff, and then ask if it wasnt too much trouble if they could be next in line and send them a tell.

Too many rules just makes it easier for a jerk to break them.

(stories:

1. I asked a level 50 on the AC camp if I could kill the Crocs, because they are decent XP, if he got to keep the loot. No problems.

2. I Once I sold a pair of GS Leggings for 100 plat to a guy who didn't want the XP there but really wanted the leggings for a alt. The 100p let him move on and me get the camp. The very next spawn was an AC, that dropped another pair. I tried to give him his money back but he refused and instead, he bought them off of me for full market price to give to another alt.

Anyway, think it's pretty simple and while these are lower level camps the same common sense and kindness can apply.

And that's how things normally go on the server, a few bad apples cause problems [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] I'm glad you've been having great interactions with players.

[loramin]

Thanks for taking the time to respond Menden!

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[TheAngryRogue]

I honestly did not expect this to be such a big post. Originally I just wanted clarification on a singular issue due to a lack of response to either /petition or /report (Which I now see is disabled. Message was hidden in a tiny spam chat window I have) after having what I thought was a proper camp taken over by someone else and being told to shove off. Then having a mod show up to chastise me when I do the same thing to someone else the next day.

Thank you all for your responses and time and I thank the forum mods/administrators for your patience with this post.