You Can Not Claim It All

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Tverian [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So I am on my twink rogue in Unrest, LFG and finding full groups. I see a group in MR and another group of a cleric & mage @ FP, with a level 52 monk dressed in blue powerleveling them.

I hide/sneak through to see what all is up and what all I can take. I noticed that the Reanimated Hand is an even con and is not being taken out for a solid 10 minutes. A solid 10 minutes! I also notice that the entire reclusive ghoul magus room is up and only later find out this "group" had claim to the barkeep room as well. They literally owned everything!

I did not think it was a big deal to pull the hand, since it had been up for over 10 minutes, but it was an issue for this powerleveler who had claim to the entire upper Unrest, killing it or not, sitting in the room or not, able to take it out as it spawns or not.

It really pisses me off that this level 52 monk decided to KS me (level 22) because I "took" from them a mob that they ignored for 10+ minutes while they also "claimed" a room of 5 spawms but were too slow/stupid to notice. It is ridiculous. And I seriously doubt /petition does anything about these "minor" issues.

OP, this is how it works:

nobody has LoS and you draw first blood, then it's yours. if people try to claim more or harass you just growl at them and make them look dumb.

[maskedmelon]

also, for clarity, if he KS' you, petition. he will be suspended.

[Tverian]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

also, for clarity, if he KS' you, petition. he will be suspended.

That is the thing: I feel nothing will happen. I did petition.

I should not have said "fucking GMs" :P I apologize. They do this for free. I was upset in the moment. Sorry guys!

But really, I very much doubt anything will even come of this. This monk "claimed" nearly all of the top floor of Unrest, while leaving it up, and then acted like I was the asshole for not asking them if I could take a single spawn that they left up for 10 minutes.

All 5 spawns were up in reclusive ghoul magi room which is closer to Fireplace where they were. They also "claimed" barkeep room. I pulled the hand which had been up for well over 10 minutes because I thought they were skipping it for whatever reason. They took offense and engaged it with the intention to prevent me from the kill. They then tried to make me look like the asshole for not asking their permission!

And I just feel like nothing ever happens about these minor situations.

[Tverian]

How do you know me so well?!

[Wonkie]

your only recourse is petitionquest

have fun!

[Maliant]

I used to go to unrest among other zones to PL random groups or individuals on my monk Imrahn. It was really fun for me to take someone from 24-34 in a few hours once I got really good at it. It was also fun for me. It was challenging getting those 0% FDs off and balancing maximum exp with maximum safety while keeping everyone in the zone happy. I only got a handful of people killed in the many hours I was there and I made sure to EE read them on my necro. That was expensive so I tried to not let anyone die [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I had a few rules I followed while I did this. I almost never did this in prime time; mostly odd hours when I couldn’t sleep. I looked for times where there was a lot of mobs up and experi nice to be gained for people. If a group was having trouble getting going in say FP because they were had no tank or healer, I’d help them out until they were good and then move on.

Respawn in unrest is 22 min minus hag tower hags which are 6 min 40 second. There is one barbed skeleton that spawns in cubby near Khrix, Carrion in closet, 2 spawns in FP room proper, wandering pather past hand room, mob in small bedroom. Ante-room to hand has 3 mobs, hand room has 2mobs + hand, 1 mob outside on balcony.

Back downstairs you have 2 more (maybe 3 areas to clear yet) 4 mobs + reclusive (PH) in his room. Upstairs you have a wandering hag on stairs (this may be being killed by someone camping hag tower). Bar room has either 5 or 6 mobs. If hag tower is open you have another PH named + 2 hags on a 6 minute 40 second timer.

Depending on how much help the group needed I could clear out everything in probably 10 minutes or so. I’d be chain pulling from room with beads while spam clicking mobs with bio orb or just tearing through mobs.

[Maliant]

Sorry for typos, wrote that on my phone. Hopefully it’s mostly legible.

[Moerne]

I don't really have a dog in this fight, but I think the 2nd floor is traditionally all considered to be part of the Fireplace room camp. If you took Hand, that would mean you were taking a mob that is part of that recognized camp. (Or at least that's how it was when I've been there off and on). I agree if they left it up for 10 mins, they clearly aren't keeping the entire camp cleared, but in that case you probably really should have tried to communicate with them instead of just sniping one of their mobs.

KS'ing you on the mob wasn't ok though.

[aaezil]

Originally Posted by Moerne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't really have a dog in this fight, but I think the 2nd floor is traditionally all considered to be part of the Fireplace room camp. If you took Hand, that would mean you were taking a mob that is part of that recognized camp. (Or at least that's how it was when I've been there off and on). I agree if they left it up for 10 mins, they clearly aren't keeping the entire camp cleared, but in that case you probably really should have tried to communicate with them instead of just sniping one of their mobs.

KS'ing you on the mob wasn't ok though.

This is false information.

The closest gms have ever come to defining what a camp is would be whats in your groups immediate los. That’s it. As for trying to hold more “camps” you need to pick which one you want and keep it cleared and give the other spot to the person/group who wants it.

[Moerne]

Originally Posted by aaezil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is false information.

The closest gms have ever come to defining what a camp is would be whats in your groups immediate los. That’s it. As for trying to hold more “camps” you need to pick which one you want and keep it cleared and give the other spot to the person/group who wants it.

I was referencing more what's commonly considered a camp by the community, not so much what's enforceable by GMs. There's a lot of camps that encompass more than one room, or an "inside and outside this door" situation, that don't meet the GM enforceable guidelines, but which the majority of the people in the zone will respect as a camp.