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Old 07-01-2018, 04:21 PM
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Shadow Rager isn't a DPS weapon. I know you're not good at melee but I spelled out everything you need to know atm. Re-read my post until you understand what a dps weapon is. Or don't. And get your BIS weapons without understanding why they're best in slot.

Moving on from hating you and that pos weapon, I don't recommend weapon swapping. Most of your damage comes from being in the right position. More micromanagement takes away from your focus on positioning. Back in Kunark, TMO rogues tested and decided weapon swaps reduce overall dps due to resetting weapon delay timers. My advice is to get a good in most situation setup and just play the game. Have a utility weapon or two, but just keep to one main setup most of the time. In a group or raiding situation I use Ragebringer / Claw of Lightning unless I'm pushing. Then I swap main to Nightfall.
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Old 07-01-2018, 04:31 PM
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I think maybe I'm overthinking it heh ...

I think what I'll do is stick it out for one more level and get ragebringer and then look into either purchasing one of the really nice velium spears or picking up the kriez piercer since its ranked pretty high on the wiki for ratio.

I'm all about the utility so I'm rocking snare , tash and slow (at level 50 that is) so far!

Maybe I can get my faction up someday and slap some skyshrine chain on him to beef him up a little !
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Old 07-01-2018, 04:36 PM
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I don't think you're thinking enough. I want you to understand why shadowrager is a bad weapon. Please don't get near BIS weapons until you get that concept, because I'm fearful someone might think you have nice stuff and ask you for advice. Then the class as a whole will just get dumber.
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Old 07-01-2018, 04:46 PM
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This is what I have gathered so far:

-Shadow rager is dumb because you could back stab harder with a mozzerrella stick and to compound, the damage is just too low and the extra damage bonus isnt spiffy enough to bother using it.

-damage is a higher priority to rogues than other melees for their main hand because back stabs scale with the damage.

-swapping weapons is a no go because resetting delays wastes time you could have just been swinging in the first place.

-a high ratio off hand is all that matters for a rogue unless pushing

-utility is important

-make sure you train double attack at the appropriate level and not 21 levels after you get like I did
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Old 07-01-2018, 04:56 PM
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I realize I'm being abusive, but you're being a decent student. Just wanna make sure you know your baseline shit. Don't take that weapon reset bit as gospel, but overall I think you're right in thinking that you're best off rocking epic most of the time. That is until you get to post-epics and jfc that's another can of worms I'm not going into right now.
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Old 07-01-2018, 05:02 PM
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I realize I'm being abusive, but you're being a decent student. Just wanna make sure you know your baseline shit. Don't take that weapon reset bit as gospel, but overall I think you're right in thinking that you're best off rocking epic most of the time. That is until you get to post-epics and jfc that's another can of worms I'm not going into right now.
Meh, I'm trying to learn so I'm not going to bash the advice especially if im not well versed.

Post epics will likely not happen for my rogue in particular, just trying to not have a gimped rogue. Which it sounds like I have based on what I know now! Lol.

I had a better backstab weapon (rapier of oriin) but I ended up giving it to a rogue who was new to the server who could make better use of it which is the main reason I'm using the 11/21 spear atm

I should also apologize to OP for hijacking the thread but maybe some useful tips he didnt already have were shared to make TWO better rogues on p99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Old 07-01-2018, 05:12 PM
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If you have your epic and are only 1 level away from using it, don't bother with worrying about a main hand weapon. You have that covered.

Just get a decent off hand weapon. Something with a good ratio.
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Old 07-02-2018, 06:21 AM
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my first backstab with ragebringer did about 150 more dmg than the highest backstab i have seen thus far
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Old 07-02-2018, 08:19 AM
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my first backstab with ragebringer did about 150 more dmg than the highest backstab i have seen thus far
I don’t know what kind of DKP it goes for, but the baton off cekenar is a 1HB and just slays.
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Old 07-02-2018, 07:38 AM
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