"Competition", "Skill", Cognitive Dissonance, and You.

[Rygar]

Originally Posted by Kich867 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is hilariously ironic--how exactly could 13 year olds wave their wallet around? Did they all join up together during study hall and write their local Blizzard rep, "We want things easier!"? The demo with no responsibility, no disposable income, highest capacity for investing time due to point 1, highest capacity to learn new things? They're the ones that dumbed the game down?

It couldn't possibly be the wave of moms and dads who could only play 1-2 hours a day and were pissed a bunch of 16 year olds were dominating servers and were grinding mats all day during the summer while they were at their shitty 9-5?

This is like the biggest lie old people tell themselves in the gaming community, and I get it, blaming little kids who have no capacity to actually encourage this change themselves is really easy and maybe intuitive to you, but you should recognize that these changes purely benefit casual moms and dads who can't play that often. Every single change caters to them. It's harder for them to handle intricate rotations so lets dumb those down, they don't have a lot of friends so LFR is the only way to experience that content, they don't have time to gather mats so get rid of those, walking takes too long so eliminate travel time...the list goes on. Every single change was directed at working class adults.

Older people that actually enjoy this kind of game (EQ) are the gross, gross minority compared to the millions that enjoy being able to login to WoW in their very short time frame to play the game. Their target demo isn't teenagers who can't actually buy shit, it's adults who will keep paying for those 60$ max level characters just to avoid having to spend the time to level them.

Keep telling yourself that. Feel free to tear apart the '13 year old' number, it is merely an expression for the younger teen crowd. Fact of the matter is younger players change games a lot, they don't have the loyalty as an older gamer, so they want to keep them interested and make them an older, loyal gamer.

And if you played WoW and did a bunch of pick up groups / raids it is heavily, heavily apparent that most everyone in Vent is prepubescent. Of course I'm speaking from like 10 years ago, so maybe times have changed.

I found it ironic when Kung-Fu Pandas became a thing in WoW, really trying to target the 'nostalgia' of that younger demo.

[aaezil]

cringe level 5000 ??

[splose]

Originally Posted by branamil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It’s very weird to not participate in a community for years until one day you snap and post a manifesto. Do you live in a cabin in Montana too?

Do you know what a manifesto is?

I tend to lump the EQEmu community and the p99 one together and I'd venture to say I have participated in the combined communities more and longer than you have just in a different way.

Getting more unimpressed as the replies roll in. I'm genuinely sorry if you guys feel I'm attacking your safe space but I'm really trying to delve into the mind of a hardcore p99 raider. I'm assuming that most of you don't even raid here anyway.

[Nagoya]

Originally Posted by splose [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Getting more unimpressed as the replies roll in. I'm genuinely sorry if you guys feel I'm attacking your safe space but I'm really trying to delve into the mind of a hardcore p99 raider. I'm assuming that most of you don't even raid here anyway.

Dude raiding on p99 is a full time occupation, it's like being the owner of your own small business + being a full-time mom, these guys don't have no time for your crap let alone write a post on a forum! Everything you'll get from this forum is answers from no-lifers trolls (myself included /o/); you already got some of the best of the best lamers to post on your thread, now it's only going downhill ^^

the real question is, why do you care if people think it's competition or not what they do? you don't like them bragging about their achievements on p99? what does it do to you personnally, a self-admitted lurker from afar?

If you want "us" to acknowledge that raiding/playing on p99 is a mental disorder i think we're all very aware of this thank you very much. I think we actually embrace it flamboyantly.

[splose]

Originally Posted by Nagoya [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dude raiding on p99 is a full time occupation, it's like being the owner of your own small business + being a full-time mom, these guys don't have no time for your crap let alone write a post on a forum! Everything you'll get from this forum is answers from no-lifers trolls (myself included /o/); you already got some of the best of the best lamers to post on your thread, now it's only going downhill ^^

the real question is, why do you care if people think it's competition or not what they do? you don't like them bragging about their achievements on p99? what does it do to you personnally, a self-admitted lurker from afar?

If you want "us" to acknowledge that raiding/playing on p99 is a mental disorder i think we're all very aware of this thank you very much. I think we actually embrace it flamboyantly.

I don't like or dislike people bragging about their p99 achievement because as you allude to it really doesn't affect me at all. I am.merely trying to understand whether people actually believe that competition and skill.is what is displayed here or if it is a game played simply to troll each other on the forums.

This forum is like a gaming 4chan. Without their mental disorders it would be a lot less entertaining. I think the entertainment I get from here stems from more modern games being censored to hell. You really don't get the unfiltered mental infirmities and drama in other communities anymore.

I guess I'd compare this forum to watching Jerry Springer or seeing a car accident on the side of the road.

[Vormotus]

Originally Posted by Nagoya [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you want "us" to acknowledge that raiding/playing on p99 is a mental disorder i think we're all very aware of this thank you very much. I think we actually embrace it flamboyantly.

Ahhhh this is a superb answer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

regardless of the low hanging fruit bait op posted, on another line of thought , one of the things I really enjoy of classic everquest raiders, players and communities is this amazing frankness.

What others seem to misconstrue as allegorical concepts I find simply to be honest frankness.

Elfsim Pixel Simulator is a wonderful phrase, full of flavor and delights.

The new counter culture is indeed one of responsibility, and this starts with being honest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.].

A hug to you and all of the other awesome p99ers from the far shores of the isthmus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[radda]

Lol, get the f out of here.
Not falling for this one

[khysanth]

op was right actually

[Champion_Standing]

This is the kind of guy that tries to hang around on the airplane after landing so he can give the pilot tips.

[FungusTrooper]

Originally Posted by Champion_Standing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is the kind of guy that tries to hang around on the airplane after landing so he can give the pilot tips.

After [/i]landing[/i]? He waits in the airport, he doesn't actually get on a plane. Gross.