Some of you got your wish

[SiouxNation]

As someone who has struggled with addiction it isn’t about the product it’s about the person. If people don’t want to change they won’t, forced rehab doesn’t do anything for anyone.

I think most of us have known or know someone struggling with addiction. That isn’t unique to you Cecily, it’s terible losing loved ones but you have to put some responsibility on the ones ingesting the poison.

[Spyder73]

Not really sure why this is a controversial take I have. I have had opioid addicts in my life for about as long as I can remember and I have absolutely 0 tolerance for them now because of what I have seen and gone through. If they are not interested in cold turkey not using, i'm not interested in them being in my life

I am not belittling your friends Cecily, bad shit happens to good people all the time. My only point to this thread is governmentally funded and sanctioned shoot-up centers are an awful idea.

And I completely disagree with you about jail. I think jail is exactly where 'sick' people belong because its the only chance for them to actually clean out and not fall back into their habits. Agree to disagree if we must but I have never seen someone come out of rehab successfully and I have seen several come out of jail saying "as much as that sucked it was the best thing for me"

[Cecily]

If those centers stop one person from dying, it's worth the money. If they stop one mom from getting the news her kid ODed. If they stop one friend from having a decade long void in their soul. This is precisely what I want to do with my life. I want to help stop pointless death. I want to give people a chance to recover. I don't believe anyone is irredeemable until it's too late.

[Spyder73]

It sounds like you have more faith in people than I do. I am admittedly extremely biased on this issue for a multitude of reasons. I see these centers causing more pain than they cure

[skarlorn]

Heroin will ruin your life and you will never fully recover. Last year I got some nice morphine and I will say that coming off that shit made for a nasty week or two. After my final surgery, I refused any morphine just b/c it's so hard.

Sometimes, I do think it would be better for long-term heroin addicts to die.

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[Lulz~Sect]

**I personally find Plebbit terrible but it still gives hope/help to many

How a Reddit forum has become a lifeline to opioid addicts in the US
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14805145

[skarlorn]

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opium is my proof that i need the state or legal obligation to a patriarchal household to survive

i worry about you sometimes bud!

[Lemonhead]

Almost every single long term opiate addict would give anything to not be an opiate addict. It has little to do with willpower once you go over the rainbow and into the darkness.

[JurisDictum]

When I was 24 -- I was arrested for "unlawful manufacture of marijuana"

This is what I looked like when I was 24:

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This was a Class A felony...and even though I was unlikely to get the book thrown at me ... If I was convicted I'd get AT LEAST 3 months in prison...that assumes they would let me out for good behavior.

So I'm thinking "wow I might actually get raped." I'm somewhere between 6'2'' and 6'3''...But I was skinny as shit and kind of a gaming nerd shut in. I was at very least -- in for an ass kicking.

When I got off on home detention..the 40 year old woman helping process the money looked at me right side-wise as I was leaving and said

"I'm glade it worked out"

And I am too. Because no matter how much pot I grew...I really wasn't prison material.

So anyway you can't expunge class A felonies...Recently its now been considered class C so I'm waiting on an expungement to go through (which costed $1300).

My arrest and conviction for growing pot has had zero positive impact on me, my family or society at large. In fact, it made shit a lot worse for me and them. I did stop smoking pot temporarily...because I really didn't want my 3 years probation expanded any further.

Then I sparked up when I got the letter in the mail that I was no longer on probation.

Some of the guys I know are now millionaires because they didn't have someone rat them out and ruin their god damn business a few years before it was all god damn legal anyway.

Once you been through that...you don't like cops anymore. It's not really rational -- its just how it goes. You don't feel like you owe society a god damn thing. You don't care about normal conservative people as much anymore -- because those idiots passed the laws put in jail and did zero good for society.

I pay lot less tax now then I did I might add. Buy a lot less stuff. And have a great deal less faith in capitalism. I don't know any wealthy people that didn't:

A) come from wealth

B) try to break the rules to get ahead like I did

Maybe they are out there...good for them...whatever. Its clearly not that common or to be expected. I hear claims all the time about "this guy had nothing"...you'll find when you look into it that they had a great deal going for them even if they didn't come from an upper class family.

Which is fine...we can't all be winners. But maybe society doesn't need to treat the middle/working class like their losers. Or they might just do something stupid.

[skarlorn]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When I was 24 -- I was arrested for "unlawful manufacture of marijuana"

This is what I looked like when I was 24:

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This was a Class A felony...and even though I was unlikely to get the book thrown at me ... If I was convicted I'd get AT LEAST 3 months in prison...that assumes they would let me out for good behavior.

So I'm thinking "wow I might actually get raped." I'm somewhere between 6'2'' and 6'3''...But I was skinny as shit and kind of a computer nerd shut in. I was at very least -- in for an ass kicking.

When I got off on home detention..the 40 year old woman helping process the money looked at me right side-wise as I was leaving and said

"I'm glade it worked out"

And I am too. Because no matter how much pot I grew...I really wasn't prison material.

So anyway you can't expunge class A felonies...Recently its now been considered class C so I'm waiting on an expungement to go through (which costed $1300).

My arrest and conviction for growing pot has had zero positive impact on me, my family or society at large. In fact, it made shit a lot worse for me and them. I did stop smoking pot temporarily...because I really didn't want my 3 years probation expanded any further.

Then I sparked up when I got the letter in the mail that I was no longer on probation.

Some of the guys I know are now millionaires because they didn't have someone rat them out and ruin their god damn business a few years before it was all god damn legal anyway.

Once you been through that...you don't like cops anymore. It's not really rational -- its just how it goes. You don't feel like you owe society a god damn thing. You don't care about normal conservative people as much anymore -- because those idiots passed the laws put in jail and did zero good for society.

I pay lot less tax now then I did I might add. Buy a lot less stuff. And have a great deal less faith in capitalism. I don't know any wealthy people that didn't:

A) come from wealth

B) try to break the rules to get ahead like I did

Maybe they are out there...good for them...whatever. Its clearly not that common or to be expected. I hear claims all the time about "this guy had nothing"...you'll find when you look into it that they had a great deal going for them even if they didn't come from an upper class family.

Which is fine...we can't all be winners. But maybe society doesn't need to treat the middle/working class like their losers. Or they might just do something stupid.

great post even if it seems a bit out of context, honestly deserves it's own thread dude!