Monk FD mechanics not classic?

[Maciver]

I cant comment on Macintosh stuff, but sneak pulling did not work regardless of faction/los/ or assist range. Sneak played no factor in pulling on live.

But yes, Sneak never memblured. In no iteration.

[fiveeauxfour]

if you are indifferent to the mob when you stand from fd then you wipe aggro. Necro's can do the same thing with cos no matter which way the mob is facing. However, if the mob can see invis then the trick doesnt work. Sneaking behind a mob causes indifferent con which provides a mem wipe

[surron]

Originally Posted by fiveeauxfour [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if you are indifferent to the mob when you stand from fd then you wipe aggro.

lol that is not true at all.

so i can invis a FD monk and since invis doesnt matter about frontal LoS then he 100% blurs every time? nope. you'll never find any evidence of people invising a monk to clear roamer agro, you will ALWAYS see posts about people having to /q or /ex... Don't you think if it was as simple as invising an fd monk then no monk would ever complain about /q'ing roamer agro in an outdoor zone like OT?


As soon as you break sneak the mob should turn around and agro you because its not indifferent anymore. on p99 the mob doesnt re-agro you even if its not at it's spawn point.

sneak should not trigger an FD blur... In your necro example if the necro dropped invis before the mob was at its spawn point then it would re-agro

[maskedmelon]

You know, as unclassic as it may be, the current implementation makes more sense. If the things are t facing you or near you there is no reason why they should come back when you get up. Unless they liek have super spider sense or something, but high is just dumb lol.

[pasi]

Feign mechanics (on live):

When you stood up (or FD was broken by a spell), what would happen is that mobs that returned to their initial spawn point would forget about the monk.

To give an example: I throw a shuriken at a Freeport gate guard. He chases me, and I feign death. He doesn't forget about me until he goes back to his static location. Now, if I were to be invis when I stand up, he will not reaggro (unless someone gave him see invis). Sneak functioned like this provided you remained successfully sneaking behind the mob. Should you break sneak or the mob angles toward you, he should reaggro.
Now say I dropped invis or sneak as he was pathing back, he should reaggro.

Mobs that roam functioned differently as they either would not reset aggro at all or someone would when they finally reached their spawn point. You would really need something like showeq to see this (and there's definitely some individual variation). Invis or sneak would prevent this mob from reaggroing until they will dropped (or the player left the sneak angle). At which point, the mob would reaggro.

[Vasuki]

So it seems a lot of your agree that sneak pulling/sneak memblur was not a thing in classic everquest, then why has the not been addressed?

It seems like a pretty simple thing to change and its such a widely used non classic mechanic.

[Danth]

Originally Posted by Vasuki [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So it seems a lot of your agree that sneak pulling/sneak memblur was not a thing in classic everquest, then why has the not been addressed

Who can say why? It's been brought up repeatedly throughout the years. Most folks figured it'd get fixed back when invis-pulling was nerfed (2012ish) but for some reason feign mechanics seem to have gone forgotten.

Danth

[Loke]

Originally Posted by Vasuki [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So it seems a lot of your agree that sneak pulling/sneak memblur was not a thing in classic everquest, then why has the not been addressed?

Because the devs have been explicitly clear that changes require evidence. Want it changed? Go find evidence. A bunch of people posting in a thread of what they remember from over a decade ago isn't evidence. Go look at the resolved bug reports and see how people who have gotten changes made have gone about doing so. There is a procedure in place for making changes, but making a post in server chat isn't part of that procedure.

[fiveeauxfour]

Originally Posted by surron [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

so i can invis a FD monk and since invis doesnt matter about frontal LoS then he 100% blurs every time? nope.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wxef4PWWMpQ

maybe there was some miscommunication, but what I had written was an attempt to describe the mechanics currently in place on this server. I agree that its not classic.

[Vianna]

Sneak pulling worked on live. Just not as well as it does here. The mobs needed a certain distance between them on live. They needed to be outside the assist call range which was reduced by sneak. Sneak clearing aggro was never a working mechanic on live.