What did people dislike most about luclin?

[DemonFirebrand]

Luclin was a mixed bag for me. I didn't mind cat people or beastmaster or the moon so much, although I thought they were a little silly. I loved the model updates and I was really upset to find out that they were disabled on P1999.

But I thought then and still believe that the nexus and, more importantly, the bazaar were the first truly damaging blows to the game's integrity.

Then PoK ruined the game irrevocably and I quit.

[astuce999]

I think it's fascinating how the things we say we hated in Luclin/PoP are the same things we spend a lot of energy recreating here.

We're pretty much saying "please save us... from ourselves".

Consider this.

"The bazaar killed the EC tunnel".

P99: there's a live auction website and a wiki that lists prices, and a forum for auctions as well. Guilds have item and spell mules with online databases of what is available.

"PoK books killed ports".

P99: Everyone and their brother has a OT hammer, WC cap, Thurg potion. There's a guild whose sole purpose is to offer ports so that people can travel as painlessly as possible. Guilds have devoted porting characters solely for travel.

"Paludal Caverns trivializes prior content".

P99: Oasis > MM > CoM > KC > Seb is the path chosen by the overwhelming majority, over and over again. It really would just be replacing the one zone everyone goes to with another one.

Just some thoughts.

Astuce

[rollin5k]

When I first saw the new models and graphics that everyone was talking/excited about it was like having my heart ripped out. I think I threw up IRL..
I took one walk into the nexus or whatever it was and I literally never logged in again.
totally different artwork looks like absolute garbage and broke the game (started at kunark IMO but wasn't game breaking)

[Sporkotron]

P99: there's a live auction website and a wiki that lists prices, and a forum for auctions as well. Guilds have item and spell mules with online databases of what is available.

Still kills haggling and an actual interaction based economy, also many people don't use those things because they're not offered in game. Anything that discourages interaction is a major red flag for P99. The Nexus and Bazaar are exactly that.

P99: Everyone and their brother has a OT hammer, WC cap, Thurg potion. There's a guild whose sole purpose is to offer ports so that people can travel as painlessly as possible. Guilds have devoted porting characters solely for travel.

This sounds like someone who has been level 60 and raiding for too long, most people on p99 aren't in a high end raiding guild and don't have all those things you mentioned. So what if there is a guild that is devoted to porting? It still encourages interaction between players, which is what P99 should be all about.

"P99: Oasis > MM > CoM > KC > Seb is the path chosen by the overwhelming majority, over and over again. It really would just be replacing the one zone everyone goes to with another one."

More importantly, it trivializes classic content. Its more important in my opinion that the classic EverQuest zones be populated. As soon as an expansion makes day one zones completely obsolete then you've gone too far on a server like p99. Paludal does exactly that in ways neither Kunark nor Velious ever did.



To me, it sounds like you like a lot of other people have worn out the content available and want more to be added. Well, too bad. P99 is a time capsule that is designed to capture the classic EverQuest experience, not an ongoing time delayed progression server that goes on forever. If you've become bored of the classic content, then move the hell on and be happy that other people will be able to experience it for years to come.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Sporkotron [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As soon as an expansion makes day one zones completely obsolete then you've gone too far on a server like p99. Paludal does exactly that in ways neither Kunark nor Velious ever did.

I agree with this. If old content gets made obsolete, why not just release the new content as a stand alone game/sequel? Feel free to reply and tell me why this is a bad idea, I'm sure there are lots of reasons why!

[snead]

Originally Posted by Sporkotron [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

P99: there's a live auction website and a wiki that lists prices, and a forum for auctions as well. Guilds have item and spell mules with online databases of what is available.

Still kills haggling and an actual interaction based economy, also many people don't use those things because they're not offered in game. Anything that discourages interaction is a major red flag for P99. The Nexus and Bazaar are exactly that.

P99: Everyone and their brother has a OT hammer, WC cap, Thurg potion. There's a guild whose sole purpose is to offer ports so that people can travel as painlessly as possible. Guilds have devoted porting characters solely for travel.

This sounds like someone who has been level 60 and raiding for too long, most people on p99 aren't in a high end raiding guild and don't have all those things you mentioned. So what if there is a guild that is devoted to porting? It still encourages interaction between players, which is what P99 should be all about.

"P99: Oasis > MM > CoM > KC > Seb is the path chosen by the overwhelming majority, over and over again. It really would just be replacing the one zone everyone goes to with another one."

More importantly, it trivializes classic content. Its more important in my opinion that the classic EverQuest zones be populated. As soon as an expansion makes day one zones completely obsolete then you've gone too far on a server like p99. Paludal does exactly that in ways neither Kunark nor Velious ever did.



To me, it sounds like you like a lot of other people have worn out the content available and want more to be added. Well, too bad. P99 is a time capsule that is designed to capture the classic EverQuest experience, not an ongoing time delayed progression server that goes on forever. If you've become bored of the classic content, then move the hell on and be happy that other people will be able to experience it for years to come.

there isn't much interaction in porting it goes like this
/who all dial
/tell superporterguy hey i need a port from wc to wakening lands
superporterguy tells you, be there soon
*hand superporterguy plat*
*superporterguy ports*
you tell superporterguy, thanks
superporter guy tells you, thanks

such immersion. when you're going grocery shopping do you tell me you specifically go to the clerk to have a full blown conversation or do you just go to the automated check out and get the hell out of there?

[Sporkotron]

Originally Posted by snead [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

there isn't much interaction in porting it goes like this
/who all dial
/tell superporterguy hey i need a port from wc to wakening lands
superporterguy tells you, be there soon
*hand superporterguy plat*
*superporterguy ports*
you tell superporterguy, thanks
superporter guy tells you, thanks

such immersion. when you're going grocery shopping do you tell me you specifically go to the clerk to have a full blown conversation or do you just go to the automated check out and get the hell out of there?

I go through the line and I chat with the checker, I don't use the self check because if I'm going to pay retail markup I might as well have them scan and bag my groceries for me.

By your logic EQ lost nothing by adding PoK, and we all know that isn't the case.

It's interesting to learn that there are people on P99 that are total cool with the way modern MMOs are playable without ever actually interacting with another person and wish p99 was like that for whatever reason. Personally, I think MMOs started sucking nuts when they were made more solo friendly.

[Sprawlz]

Originally Posted by snead [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

there isn't much interaction in porting it goes like this
/who all dial
/tell superporterguy hey i need a port from wc to wakening lands
superporterguy tells you, be there soon
*hand superporterguy plat*
*superporterguy ports*
you tell superporterguy, thanks
superporter guy tells you, thanks

such immersion. when you're going grocery shopping do you tell me you specifically go to the clerk to have a full blown conversation or do you just go to the automated check out and get the hell out of there?

This is exactly how it worked back then except that you would type /who all dru 39 60 or something, depending on where you needed to go.

[Salamarr]

Originally Posted by astuce999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"Paludal Caverns trivializes prior content".

P99: Oasis > MM > CoM > KC > Seb is the path chosen by the overwhelming majority, over and over again. It really would just be replacing the one zone everyone goes to with another one.

Back then I remember on my old server there were so many players, you needed some new zones to level up your alts in because even the traditional ones were still packed.

Fast forward to Phin, yes most gather at PC to level their alts.

[xKoopa]

I remember finding a spot in paludal where mobs would just ignore you

Made a lvl 1 necro and soloed 1-18 without ever moving lol