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Old 10-11-2016, 02:46 PM
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Stamina arguments are like saying you don't have time for grooming because you need to cardio for 3 hours at the gym so you last longer in bed. It's going to be much more difficult if getting in bed without looking good. You may not even make it.

Ultimately depends on what your priorities are. Do you want to enjoy the whole game or just a sliver?
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Old 10-11-2016, 03:45 PM
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Max your INT, throw up /role, and tell everyone they're doing everything wrong while you play your smart little know-it-all ranger. You'll have about 2℅ fewer hit points at end game than a min-maxer, but you'll only be half as annoying.
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Old 10-11-2016, 07:32 PM
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Stamina arguments are like saying you don't have time for grooming because you need to cardio for 3 hours at the gym so you last longer in bed. It's going to be much more difficult if getting in bed without looking good. You may not even make it.

Ultimately depends on what your priorities are. Do you want to enjoy the whole game or just a sliver?
Putting all of your points into STA doesn't make the game unenjoyable, or even that difficult and to say it ruins all but a sliver of the game is hyperbole.
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Old 10-11-2016, 08:38 PM
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I believe melon is pointing out the fact stamina provides negligible HP per STA point until you get to what, 50? Putting all points into Stam is pretty much a min/max move only useful for people who can afford to twink their chars, or for those who are aiming for raiding.

OP, I'd say if you don't have a lot of plat, want to enjoy the journey of leveling a little better, like grouping with other players, or plan on making alt characters, put them all into STR. It's really not that big a deal not having the STA.

If you have plat to get the good stat gear or want to do raids end game, put them into STA. It's definitely true that STA is harder to gear then STR, and STR is easy to max, and the STA from starter points is better in the long run. But it's just that, the long run.

I myself didn't make any character with all points into STA until I leveled my farmer to twink.
All of my melee alts get STA. I typically play them from scratch, no twinking whatsoever, not even with a cheap EC weapon. For the first 10-15 levels there is frequent banking and what-not, but any new character banks frequently because every copper counts. It's really no more of a chore than it is for casters who typically dump all of their points into INT/WIS. By level 13 or 14 you can camp Shralok packs for WR. In your teens if you've been saving your plat, you can buy some cheap str jewelry or a Hero Bracer.

If this is a person's first char here, and it typically is when they ask this question, it's a char they will most likely play to 50+ and the fact is they'll probably wish they had the extra HP when they get there. I know I dumped all of my points into STR on my first melee char and when I did get to 50+ I was wishing I had gone STA instead and I was never a heavy raider. More HP is always better as a melee.
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Old 10-11-2016, 09:10 PM
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More HP is always better as a melee.
Naw. You're a +25 str rogue like myself, and as a heavy raider, I've always found the extra str incredibly useful. It affords you flexibility in gear choices you otherwise wouldn't have. All throughout Kunark, I tanked my HP / STR for resists and survived through anything. I didn't miss the extra HP. Still don't.
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Old 10-11-2016, 05:52 PM
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Sta and Dex. Str is really easy to max with a buff and some velious gear.
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Old 10-11-2016, 09:02 PM
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I did 5 str, 5 dex, 5 sta, 5 wis and I'm happy with it. My STR is nearly capped unbuffed, 255 with my own buffs. Pretty far from capping DEX and stamina anytime soon. 10 STA / 10 DEX would be my suggestion. Hard to gear for and important later on. But honestly, you're fine if you go +20 CHA. Stats don't matter in EQ.
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Old 10-12-2016, 09:59 AM
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Stats don't matter in EQ.
Single greatest truth in thread ^^



OP, Choices are 80hp at level 60 and 0 benefit at level 1, or less headache and increased effectiveness your entire EQ career.

Solo, a larger hp pool is of limited value, because you are going to need to root and heal up anyway. Your mana pool determines how long you can last more than your hp pool.

Grouping, you may or may not (if grouped with any of the people suggesting stamina here) be tanking, but being closer to capping strength will allow you to prioritize resists in gear which are really what matters so that you don't eat a full ice comet, which that 80hp will have very little chance of saving you.

In raids, the only time you should be getting attacked is if you are weapon shielding (hp irrelevant, you are invuln) for tank swap after which you will die no matter, or you are being hit by ae magics. If you're not tanking, your job is killing and being closer to capping strength with fewer items allows prioritization of resists so you don't eat full nukes. Again 80hp is far less likely to save you.

The extra hp is a conditional benefit. The increased attack, damage, carrying capacity and flexibility to prioritize resists are constant benefits.

Warriors on the other hand only exist to tank raid mobs in defensive stance and receive 25 starting points and 6hp per sta. With defensive discipline that is effectively 300hp at level 60, which is far more relevant a consideration.
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Old 10-12-2016, 02:23 AM
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80hp is literally nothing at lvl 60.
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Old 10-12-2016, 09:28 AM
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80hp is literally nothing at lvl 60.
Or it's the difference between dying or not, or the difference between getting low hp aggro or not. It's not crucial for every single fight, or even most fights, but leveling 1-60 it occurs often enough where if you were standing for one more swing you just might have killed the mob or you just might have got that heal that's about to land on your corpse and all of those situations add up to wasted time that could be avoided right from the start.
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