My experience with a raid guild on P99

[Zorlon]

Originally Posted by Lhancelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

3. I found that when on a raid I was unfamiliar with, I hardly could get any direction on what or where to go from other guild members. I felt like I was inconveniencing them with questions, and rarely did anyone ever offer to explain or help me when I needed it without me having to send multiple tells to different players until one could find the time to help me.

Most of the people you're asking don't know either, and a lot of them have probably played on this server for several years.

[Scatch]

It's like the real world: folks chase the dollar only to find only ass holes chase the dollar, and you're best dropping from that race as soon as you can. Once you do, you'll find fine folks who pull you up while you give them a foothold, and you're that much farther than you would have been in the race, and actually happy, to boot.

These SuperFriends people sound like the good kinda folk you need to be with: they might not have the toppest of top items, but they sound like they're worth your time.

I love Home Videos, too, so I'm especially upset at Fan D for using that avatar and talking in such a way.

[Nitsude]

I'll never understand this mindset of being entitled to other people's time just because you recently joined their guild. No one owes you anything.

When I see someone new join I'm looking for assurances that they're worth the time investment. If I see they're leveling diligently (if not already 60), working on required items for raiding, eager to help others first, etc. then I definitely go out of my way to do things for that person -- many times when they don't even ask.

No single guild fits all personalities or needs. From your post, I think you would be happier in a more casual guild.

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by Nitsude [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll never understand this mindset of being entitled to other people's time just because you recently joined their guild. No one owes you anything.

When I see someone new join I'm looking for assurances that they're worth the time investment. If I see they're leveling diligently (if not already 60), working on required items for raiding, eager to help others first, etc. then I definitely go out of my way to do things for that person -- many times when they don't even ask.

No single guild fits all personalities or needs. From your post, I think you would be happier in a more casual guild.

I get that, I do. I understand when you enter a guild, that you can't instantly just get handed full loot items etc. But that's not what I want, or wanted. I wanted to feel like I was a part of a group that valued every member, and had leadership that considered the needs of even the newest member of the guild. Generally a new member isn't looking for top shelf items when they first hop in a guild, they simply want to be acknowledged and talked to with some sort of dignity.

When I mentioned things I needed in guild chat (which was rare), it was either ignored, or spoken about between officers in guild chat without talking to me directly.

Example? Something dropped I really needed, something for my epic. Really, this is the only thing I spoke up earnestly in guild chat about wanting and I had been there for 2 months. Once I asked, officers discussed it in guild chat, "hey we killed ****** and we got a ****** from it! Is anyone on that needs it?" I then spoke up, and asked if I could come to get it, I stressed I could get there quickly as I was not far away to get it (at the time I was leveling as was expected on this day - was not yet 60), after a long pause one officer said, "**** says he needs it..." Then a member offered, "I can sit on it till he gets here." After another long pause, a different officer said... "Yeah he can't get here in time, I will just loot it for MQ".

That was it. No tells, nothing to indicate that maybe one day I could have the item if I proved my worth or whatever it is I am supposed to do. They looted it to MQ it.

I discussed this with one of their long time members, a real good dude that actually spends tons of his personal time helping guild members who are not yet 60 level up that are new members of the guild. He said basically he would try to put in a good word for me, so if it happened again, I might have a better chance of getting the item. I had been in groups with him multiple times by this point, and honestly he is the only one in that guild that I feel acts remotely like how an officer should. Ironically, he isn't an officer.

By this point, I came to realize, that after over 2 months I found one guy that played the way I liked to play, who had a little bit of leverage in the guild. Helping people, dungeon grinding for fun, etc.

What I see is a ton of people riding the coattails of a pixel gathering guild, happy to sit back and reap what drops as leftovers to them while a core group reap more of the pixels for themselves and their own personal army of alts.

Sure, the guild is operating and running in the manner it does thanks to those core officers who keep it organized, but this does not mean others couldn't run it just as well with more consideration and dignity towards it's fringe members.

I understand the notion of proving one's worth when joining any new team, job, place of living, whatever it is. It's the natural socialization of people. I get that.

IMO a guild or organization of people also has some sort of responsibility to make it's members feel it too has loyalty to them and this is my biggest problem here. I simply never felt any sort of loyalty back from any of the officers or leadership of this guild.

I think that there are so many members in it, and the guild has been operating like a machine for so long grabbing up pixels like a fine oiled machine that the core group of people running it simply don't care about the underlings particularly the new members, that's my opinion.

Could be I simply had a few very isolated incidences, and that what I experienced was not the norm. I suppose it's all subjective, depending on how you look at it.

[coki]

took a friend of mine over 1 year of sucking ecczan's virtual cock before old tmo finally Mqed him his last epic piece, and being so tired of sucking cock for over a year he quit p99 a month later, sad but its the nature of the high end guilds most of the time, not all the time though

[lonmoer]

I felt exactly this way in Azure Guard. I submitted 3 max bids for items (all of which could of been sold for 100k+) within a 48 hour time span and all of them went to a small coterie of officers. When I complained about it in p99 forums they banned me from the guild and took away months of DKP that I worked for and never got to spend.

[bktroost]

Originally Posted by lonmoer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I felt exactly this way in Azure Guard. I submitted 3 max bids for items (all of which could of been sold for 100k+) within a 48 hour time span and all of them went to a small coterie of officers. When I complained about it in p99 forums they banned me from the guild and took away months of DKP that I worked for and never got to spend.

If you are who I think you are, then I believe you were banned for telling someone in ooc to "eat a dick" when they asked you to stop bard swarming. If this is the right person then you also told the officers that If you couldn't speak your mind like that then you should just deguild now. After fighting for you for a few months we eventually decided, after another person sent us a tell about being insulted, that you really arnt AG material. I've only ever forum banned 2 people which is why I think you are who you are.

Sorry you didn't get any pixels.

[lonmoer]

Originally Posted by Kayso [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They took away your DKP after they banned you? Harsh. You have a right to be angry. They could have at least let you keep your DKP, amirite?

But if I'm not in the guild then I can't spend DKP anymore so this doesn't work.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by lonmoer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But if I'm not in the guild then I can't spend DKP anymore so this doesn't work.

There are many levels of troll ^^ This is the most basic: sarcasm ^^

[ZiggyTheMuss]

I think we might be in the same guild! Also, seeing members fawn over the token fat chick in the guild is so cringeworthy. Meh, when I joined the server three months ago I think I had an idea like you "oh cool I get to go on raids now like I never had time to on live, it shouldn't be hotly contested or anything in this old game... Right?"