My experience with a raid guild on P99

[Nitsude]

I'll never understand this mindset of being entitled to other people's time just because you recently joined their guild. No one owes you anything.

When I see someone new join I'm looking for assurances that they're worth the time investment. If I see they're leveling diligently (if not already 60), working on required items for raiding, eager to help others first, etc. then I definitely go out of my way to do things for that person -- many times when they don't even ask.

No single guild fits all personalities or needs. From your post, I think you would be happier in a more casual guild.

[coki]

took a friend of mine over 1 year of sucking ecczan's virtual cock before old tmo finally Mqed him his last epic piece, and being so tired of sucking cock for over a year he quit p99 a month later, sad but its the nature of the high end guilds most of the time, not all the time though

[lonmoer]

I felt exactly this way in Azure Guard. I submitted 3 max bids for items (all of which could of been sold for 100k+) within a 48 hour time span and all of them went to a small coterie of officers. When I complained about it in p99 forums they banned me from the guild and took away months of DKP that I worked for and never got to spend.

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by Nitsude [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll never understand this mindset of being entitled to other people's time just because you recently joined their guild. No one owes you anything.

When I see someone new join I'm looking for assurances that they're worth the time investment. If I see they're leveling diligently (if not already 60), working on required items for raiding, eager to help others first, etc. then I definitely go out of my way to do things for that person -- many times when they don't even ask.

No single guild fits all personalities or needs. From your post, I think you would be happier in a more casual guild.

I get that, I do. I understand when you enter a guild, that you can't instantly just get handed full loot items etc. But that's not what I want, or wanted. I wanted to feel like I was a part of a group that valued every member, and had leadership that considered the needs of even the newest member of the guild. Generally a new member isn't looking for top shelf items when they first hop in a guild, they simply want to be acknowledged and talked to with some sort of dignity.

When I mentioned things I needed in guild chat (which was rare), it was either ignored, or spoken about between officers in guild chat without talking to me directly.

Example? Something dropped I really needed, something for my epic. Really, this is the only thing I spoke up earnestly in guild chat about wanting and I had been there for 2 months. Once I asked, officers discussed it in guild chat, "hey we killed ****** and we got a ****** from it! Is anyone on that needs it?" I then spoke up, and asked if I could come to get it, I stressed I could get there quickly as I was not far away to get it (at the time I was leveling as was expected on this day - was not yet 60), after a long pause one officer said, "**** says he needs it..." Then a member offered, "I can sit on it till he gets here." After another long pause, a different officer said... "Yeah he can't get here in time, I will just loot it for MQ".

That was it. No tells, nothing to indicate that maybe one day I could have the item if I proved my worth or whatever it is I am supposed to do. They looted it to MQ it.

I discussed this with one of their long time members, a real good dude that actually spends tons of his personal time helping guild members who are not yet 60 level up that are new members of the guild. He said basically he would try to put in a good word for me, so if it happened again, I might have a better chance of getting the item. I had been in groups with him multiple times by this point, and honestly he is the only one in that guild that I feel acts remotely like how an officer should. Ironically, he isn't an officer.

By this point, I came to realize, that after over 2 months I found one guy that played the way I liked to play, who had a little bit of leverage in the guild. Helping people, dungeon grinding for fun, etc.

What I see is a ton of people riding the coattails of a pixel gathering guild, happy to sit back and reap what drops as leftovers to them while a core group reap more of the pixels for themselves and their own personal army of alts.

Sure, the guild is operating and running in the manner it does thanks to those core officers who keep it organized, but this does not mean others couldn't run it just as well with more consideration and dignity towards it's fringe members.

I understand the notion of proving one's worth when joining any new team, job, place of living, whatever it is. It's the natural socialization of people. I get that.

IMO a guild or organization of people also has some sort of responsibility to make it's members feel it too has loyalty to them and this is my biggest problem here. I simply never felt any sort of loyalty back from any of the officers or leadership of this guild.

I think that there are so many members in it, and the guild has been operating like a machine for so long grabbing up pixels like a fine oiled machine that the core group of people running it simply don't care about the underlings particularly the new members, that's my opinion.

Could be I simply had a few very isolated incidences, and that what I experienced was not the norm. I suppose it's all subjective, depending on how you look at it.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Lhancelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I feel like if I give my time and attention to others without them begging for it, this should be reciprocated. If I have to "force the issue" to get the help of a guild, guess I don't need to be in a guild.

Unilateral agreements are a road to disappointment :c Not everyone thinks the same as you, but you seem to understand that ^^ The simplest solution is to of course leave. If it is an uncomfortable atmosphere that you don't want to deal with, I wouldn't blame you for doing so. However, I would encourage you to be more reserved in your charity. A gift given with expectation is a purchase, not a gift. You are not being magnanimous in doing so. If you really like someone though and genuinely want to help them out, then by all means, do that, but do not do it when not relationship exists because without conveying your own desires others will just assume you are doing it to because you want to. I am generally wary of gifts for this reason because many people do think as you do and unless I have a relationship with you I don't really care about you and don't want to disappoint :/ I am generally happy to do whatever with whomever though, but there are very few people I would/have gifted anything to or move at the drop of a hat to help. I value them.

[ZiggyTheMuss]

I think we might be in the same guild! Also, seeing members fawn over the token fat chick in the guild is so cringeworthy. Meh, when I joined the server three months ago I think I had an idea like you "oh cool I get to go on raids now like I never had time to on live, it shouldn't be hotly contested or anything in this old game... Right?"

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by ZiggyTheMuss [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think we might be in the same guild! Also, seeing members fawn over the token fat chick in the guild is so cringeworthy. Meh, when I joined the server three months ago I think I had an idea like you "oh cool I get to go on raids now like I never had time to on live, it shouldn't be hotly contested or anything in this old game... Right?"

I think what it comes down to is a difference in personalities, mentalities, and expectations. I am sure many people would be in my shoes, and feel completely comfortable with the way the guild operates, they may even find it operates quite well. With that in mind, I am sure there are some who share my sentiment in this guild, as well as other guilds on the server. With that being said, it's hard to say if we share the same guild. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hey, I sure appreciate the feedback from everyone, even those who may find my post obnoxious or self-entitling. I always enjoy hearing different perspectives particularly those that are different than mine. I feel better after venting my thoughts out after seeing what others think, or have experienced themselves. Thanks for the comments.

[nyclin]

Others have said it but it bears repeating: people are cynical about new guild members, unless you're an established personality on the server.

Everyone has seen the new app that was a ghost that never talked or contributed, or the "help me with epic plz" spammer, or the person who shows their true, shitty personality after they become full member.

Best way to get help is to give it. Eventually the people you're helping are going to say "hey dude, you're here helping us - what can we do for you?" If they don't, then it's probably time to find a new group of people to play with.

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by fan D [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

these people who are getting gear on their 2nd and 3rd alts before you are deserving of all of it. these are the people who are responsible for your guild to get any loot at all, they do all the work. you would never ever be able to kill one of these dragons without them tracking and socking it for you.

i can tell by your attitude that you're not much of a player or bring much value to a raid, you should be lucky to get anything at all tbh

The guy is asking what he needs to do and people are ignoring him. How is this entitlement? He wants to participate. He can't bring value to a raid without someone telling him what he needs to be doing.

I can tell by your attitude that you're not much of a guildie, you should be lucky to get any apps at all.

[burkemi5]

The issues with cliquey-ness are pretty standard on here. When I raided in a now defunct self-proclaimed "casual raiding guild," it was really bad. Unless you sat in TS for hours each night, cracked the best jokes, and cozied up to the officers, no one gave a shit about you or wanted to help you. And the pixel craze was pretty bad too. The humble bragging was so bad. I remember there was one member who once made a comment about how his bags were so full of useful clickies that he wouldn't loot anything worth less than 30k. While the rest of us had a hooded black cloak as our most valuable item. And in hindsight, all our rarely-obtained raid loot was loot counciled to one of the excessively large officer crew. At the time I was on board and drinking the koolaid but, looking back, fudge that.

I think the pixel/ plat craze is just too strong on this server because it's so sparse.