The legality of vigilantism is fundamentally flawed

[Angushjalmur]

Originally Posted by entruil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The City was/is still not able to provide basic services. Communities stricken with conflict elected to band together and police themselves, shift services, and prospered at a great rate.... it's more an example of strength through necessity as toward your OP than it is against it ... but that's just like, my opinion, man.

It got that way because of the criminals who the overly liberal government there lets roam free.

[entruil]

Snakes in every city, Kilpatrick... im crashin out... you might be right about liberal govt. if speaking in modern western terms... night...

*sleep typin -

the beginning is too far off for me to give a comprehensive answer in this thread...

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by Angushjalmur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Catch and release (into custody) only perpetuates the issues we face as a society.

Let's use Detroit as an example.

They get double digit shootings and more crime than their police can even respond to every week. A good amount of it is being caused by the same people over and over. They get arrested for this or that, bail out, keep doing it, go to court and maybe get prison time. Then they get out and do the same shit again.

Why not let the people handle it? If someone is bringing crime to your neighborhood, it should be your duty to get rid of that person the same way being a citizen obligates you to defend your country from foreign invaders.

You shouldn't shit where you eat, and you shouldn't allow others to shit where you eat either.

Well heck, that's why I moved out of LA 30 years ago, let it burn. I can't say I never looked back, I was visiting a friend for his birthday when the big riots broke out, was crazy stuff being in lock-down and all the radio buzz (I keep a scanner with me in my vehicle). But yeah, screw the cities, especially liberal controlled ones... which are most.

But where I live now, I appreciate due process of the law. Not much goes on around here, but when it does, it's taken care of. If there were no due process of the law, then that could be a problem here. To fix city problems by degrading the good of where I live is not my idea of a solid solution. Yeah ain't no mob coming out here, we does open a can o whipass and they knows it hehe.

[R Flair]

You can't do away with do process. What you can do is enforce the death penalty, and sentence habitual offenders to it. Also fuck all the expensive silly ways of executing criminals. Bullet to the back of the head should suffice.

Some will of course think thats extreme, but the penalty will deter crime and thus, less people will need to be imprisoned or executed. What most people don't understand about people living in poverty is that prison is a vacation for them. I've seen it first hand. Three meals a day and a warm bed is better than they ever had it in the real world. There has to be a stronger deterrent.

[BardPop]

There are many instances where the current loophole system fails and justice is miscarried. There are many instances when the justice system is muzzled simply because of previous precedent or because of some obscure technicality.

You can't legalize vigilantism unless you're targeting a specific group ala the Philliphines drug crackdown. Otherwise injustices could possibly be committed because someone who the community would agree didn't deserve to die could die, the most ethical death penalty-if there is one at all-is where the public votes on who should and shouldn't die. Which I can say would basically be the public hangings that America had in the 1700s and 1800s, the whole town or what not would basically collectively execute someone.

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by Angushjalmur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Catch and release (into custody) only perpetuates the issues we face as a society.

Let's use Detroit as an example.

They get double digit shootings and more crime than their police can even respond to every week. A good amount of it is being caused by the same people over and over. They get arrested for this or that, bail out, keep doing it, go to court and maybe get prison time. Then they get out and do the same shit again.

Why not let the people handle it? If someone is bringing crime to your neighborhood, it should be your duty to get rid of that person the same way being a citizen obligates you to defend your country from foreign invaders.

You shouldn't shit where you eat, and you shouldn't allow others to shit where you eat either.

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[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by AzzarTheGod [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hold up. I was careful to say soft, not allowed.

We are talking 5-8 year prison sentences for cases of vigilantism, in stay of the 20-40 year sentences we typically are seeing for the last few decades (and only seem to be increasing). You don't believe in that?

I'm still waiting for a response.

Anyone can step up. Should there not be reduced sentences for acts of vigilantism?

[R Flair]

Originally Posted by AzzarTheGod [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm still waiting for a response.

Anyone can step up. Should there not be reduced sentences for acts of vigilantism?

You can't leave interpretation of the law in the hands of vigilantes. Its one thing when its easy, a dude is killing someone or pointing a gun at someones head. When you have to judge anything in a gray area it will give rise to psychopaths with very loose interpretations of the law having a field day.

Do process must be protected.

[Patriam1066]

"do process must be protected"

America is fucked

[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"do process must be protected"

America is fucked

Yes it is.

Also, Azzar, what The Natureboy said is why I didn't reply. It's basically stated in my quoted post.