Russians Behind DNC attack!

[big_ole_jpn]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You clearly know nothing about the scientific method. Control groups are used when you are actually experimentally manipulating variables in order to test a hypothesis. Analysis of global warming is observational (along with a massive amount of other fundamental science, like much of our knowledge of the properties of light, chemicals, heat, evolution, gravity etc), and it is absolutely falsifiable.

What you just said is like saying "The Wave-Particle duality of photons is not a falsifiable hypothesis as there is no control group". Let that seep in how retarded that is and how embarrassingly scientifically illiterate you are. And it's totally rich how you say simulations of a chaotic system lack rigor when you're seemingly a huge fan of economics-- which uses far less rigorous models and simulations to model far more chaotic systems. Do you believe in evolution? Because that's equally unfalsifiable according to what you've just said.

The most substantive evidence for anthropomorphic climate change isn't even climate models, it's literally just recording temperatures over the last 150 years and comparing it to data over the last several hundred thousands years, as well as understanding the physical mechanics of CO2 and other greenhouse gasses and their role in the climate.

Falsifiable Premise #1. Do CO2 and other gasses increase the temperature of the Earth? Yes.

Falsifiable Premise #2. Have humans caused a precipitous increase in global greenhouse gas concentrations? Yes.

It's really as simple as those two premises and there is a mountain of evidence for both. You think climate science is a systematic conspiracy so climate scientists can get more funding? That's an astounding claim. You could say that about any science you're willing to discredit. I don't like free market economics, so I'm going to say that about free market economists right now. I'm going to say they are being funded by Jews as a way to sway public opinion and protect their wealth from government interference. God how retarded of me. What is it about this forum and the belief in conspiracies?



You've actually listened to him branding himself as a master negotiator? Because he wrote "The Art of the Deal", right? Just goes to show what he's truly a master at-- branding.



It is a triumph of the democratic process, I was talking about the fact that our culture has degraded so thoroughly that we can elect someone like Trump or Clinton.



I agree with you there, I'd love nothing more than to quit meddling in everything and cut our military by 90%. But the reality is, we're balls deep in global politics and his comments were idiotic-- talking about not honoring our alliances in Europe as a threat to get allies to comply during the campaign is not how you broach the issue of NATO. He's already persona non grata in the UK, the USA's closest ally, and he's not even President yet. Can't wait to see what other foreign policy achievements we get out of him.

Decent breakdown of climate change denial here. Every premise that anthropogenic climate change is founded on is absolutely sound.

The only crevice you can hide in without making retarded arguments is that we don't have any experimental model on the scale of the Earth and any effect we could have is minute compared to the scale of the entire planet (wait, actually I just meant that's the least retarded point you can make, not an unretarded one).

This argument typically manifests accompanied by a disbelief that the theory of evolution applies to humans. It's a faith that humans are so tiny compared to God's creation that they could not possibly destroy their tiny speck of liveable habitat. Kinda realized while writing this that it's not any less retarded than the other shit the incel you quoted was saying, actually.

I understand having extreme skepticism about granting Emperor Zog another weapon with which to selectively wage economic warfare. The problem, however, isn't with the concept of anthropogenic climate change -- it's with the fact that we have an Emperor named Zog. When he is gone we will still have this problem to deal with.

[Raev]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let that seep in how retarded that is and how embarrassingly scientifically illiterate you are.

You are the one embarrassing yourself here, pal. Global warming is falsifiable, but anthropogenic global warming is not. You can't assign causes without a control group, especially since if you look at the temperature history of the Earth you can see that it varies wildly. Also I think virtually all inductive economics is pure junk, so I have no idea where you got that.

Originally Posted by Lune

Falsifiable Premise #1. Do CO2 and other gasses increase the temperature of the Earth? Yes.

This is in fact not falsifiable by the same argument. And in any case, it's not that simple. CO2 has a relatively limited effect on radiative forcing, and that effect is logarithmic, so it increases very slowly. The theory of AGW rests on the premise that this very small increase in temperature will heat the oceans, thus sending large amounts of water vapor into the atmosphere. I'm certainly not saying this impossible, but the atmosphere is an incredibly complex system. It's worth nothing that global CO2 has increased by 10% over the past 20 years, while global temperatures haven't changed much.

Anyway, it may surprise you to learn that I am a pretty big environmentalist. I would love to see more mass transit, more solar cells, less global trade, and a more geographically homogeneous society. The problem, though, is that even if America cut our greenhouse gas emissions to 0, it would only reduce total emissions by about 15%. China is the biggest offender here. So to actually attack greenhouse gas emissions we'd need a world government, and the potential for abuse there is far higher than any possible global warming benefits.

P.S. I mostly think of Trump as a master persuader due to Scott Adams' series of posts. He (or his campaign) have performed some very interesting linguistic jiu jitsu over the past year. Hillary was embarrassing herself there for a while, but evidentially has finally hired someone good recently.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Global warming is falsifiable, but anthropogenic global warming is not. You can't assign causes without a control group

What control group are you using to highlight the cause of global warming, that you can't use for anthropogenic global warming? Our emissions can be estimated with reasonable accuracy, the concentration of gasses can be measured accurately, and the models for the way these gasses behave are well understood.

Think about this: Watson, Crick, and Franklin used X-ray crystallography to observe the helical structure of DNA. What causes the helical structure of DNA? Well, we know it is due to the structure and properties of the molecules on the backbone of the DNA, and the nitrogenous bases that connect the two backbones-- their charge distribution and orientation of their bonds contorts the molecule a certain way. So which is it? What's the 'control group' that allows us to know this? Is this not falsifiable? What if we discovered that a series of previously unobserved structural proteins were holding the helix in place?

What if we discovered that it wasn't humans that were heating the atmosphere, but rather some previously unknown tectonic mechanism that was releasing billions of tons of methane and other gasses into the atmosphere that we had somehow missed?

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

especially since if you look at the temperature history of the Earth you can see that it varies wildly. Also I think virtually all inductive economics is pure junk, so I have no idea where you got that.

In recorded history it has rarely varied as wildly as it is varying (toward higher temperatures) right now, and it coincides with increasing concentration of greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere.

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is in fact not falsifiable by the same argument. And in any case, it's not that simple. CO2 has a relatively limited effect on radiative forcing, and that effect is logarithmic, so it increases very slowly. The theory of AGW rests on the premise that this very small increase in temperature will heat the oceans, thus sending large amounts of water vapor into the atmosphere. I'm certainly not saying this impossible, but the atmosphere is an incredibly complex system. It's worth nothing that global CO2 has increased by 10% over the past 20 years, while global temperatures haven't changed much.

CO2 is far from being the only greenhouse gas, and the vast majority of the increasing heat is being absorbed by the oceans, where each quanta of heat does not contribute to global land temperatures on a 1:1 basis. There are also plenty of positive and negative feedback mechanisms that have been accounted for.

[Trungep99]

Basically Russia wants Trump the win. So we know a vote for trump is like a vote to exploiting Americans ...

[Daywolf]

Or more like: a vote for Hillary is like a vote for exploding Americans ...[/QUOTE]
This thread isn't lacking in emotionally driven reasoning.
Meanwhile NATO moves into position for WW3 as I've mentioned, because Putin is "Hitler" as Hillary likes to call him. us vs them us vs them us vs them
Dems tried to clean up their party, but failed. Time for the dem party to go extinct before we do.

[Trungep99]

Originally Posted by Daywolf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Or more like: a vote for Hillary is like a vote to exploding Americans ...

Alright. Go enroll in Trump U. Let me know how it works out for you.

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by Trungep99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Alright. Go enroll in Trump U. Let me know how it works out for you.

...because the dems conned you guys. The emotional responses continue to fascinate. At least Bernie had something of value which puts Hillary to shame, honesty. imo he may be honestly wrong, but at least he isn't a fake. Not an emotional response, just fact, the only one thus far proven to be fake are Hillary and her zombie supporters. Well... maybe Cruz too, but he wound up on the loosing end of the stick for the Reps. We don't need another 4 or 8 years of this fake BS, no matter the party affiliation.

[Trungep99]

Originally Posted by Daywolf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

...because the dems conned you guys. The emotional responses continue to fascinate. At least Bernie had something of value which puts Hillary to shame, honesty. imo he may be honestly wrong, but at least he isn't a fake. Not an emotional response, just fact, the only one thus far proven to be fake are Hillary and her zombie supporters. Well... maybe Cruz too, but he wound up on the loosing end of the stick for the Reps. We don't need another 4 or 8 years of this fake BS, no matter the party affiliation.

Last thing we need is the party of Bush back in power. I guess you forgot which party was in power during the recession and couldn't catch BinLaden

[Trungep99]

Still more scared of trump.

[R Flair]

Love how professional everquest players are in dis thread evaluating the mental health of billionaires that work every day.