New to P99 and looking for tips on starting and SK or Paladin

[Xaanka]

Originally Posted by Pyrion [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can always save yourself (beyond 30) by simply FDing. You can fear kite solo.

or you can be a good player & kite the mobs away from your group so that they can zone or camp, and then feign death to save yourself, assuming you're not super deep in a dungeon. (even then, with resists you should be able to do this inside dungeons)

sometimes tho, they're on their own.

also should be noted: both classes are really bad soloers. you can solo some mobs in some zones, but they're both slow and inefficient at it. don't get the wrong idea from all the posts in this thread and think shadow knights are good soloers. they're comparing a terrible solo class to a slightly less terrible solo class. beats playing a class that can't solo at all, but you're not gonna want to level that way. biggest point of both classes soloing usefulness is being able to kill random weaker mobs that you need for quests without having to log on a different character.

[phacemeltar]

you probaby shoud roll sk, but youll regret not being an ogre. sk can probably do more with less, if youre planning this as your main. FD is invaluable.

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by phacemeltar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you probaby shoud roll sk, but youll regret not being an ogre. sk can probably do more with less, if youre planning this as your main. FD is invaluable.

Yeah bu but like they say, once you go blue, you never .. go .. back [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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[Danth]

Originally Posted by Pyrion [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

SK is by far more popular because it is easier to solo (although a well played pally has some tricks here too, for example "jousting").

In this case, "Far" seems relative: Both classes are rather unpopular overall. Paladins are traditionally the least-popular class on Project1999, while Shadow Knights are usually about fourth from the bottom. The hybrids haven't really been able to shrug off the kunark-era bias against them.

Danth

[thufir]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In this case, "Far" seems relative: Both classes are rather unpopular overall. Paladins are traditionally the least-popular class on Project1999, while Shadow Knights are usually about fourth from the bottom. The hybrids haven't really been able to shrug off the kunark-era bias against them.

I think it's also the Velious "no raid role for you" thing. If you want to endgame raid, you're not going to roll a paladin or shadowknight. You'll roll a class that has a purpose there. In Kunark they could tank raid mobs so you weren't feeling totally left out.

[elwing]

both classes are gear dependant, yes, but weapons on the server are cheap, and you can definately play until 30/40 with gear you find...

[thufir]

My shadowknight was my first character and also my main. I have never felt the pinch of not being able to afford decent gear, and don't regret rolling a shadowknight as my first character, at all. Phacemeltar is probably right that you should roll an ogre if you do, though. Being an ogre is like being issued a special equipment slot at game start with an item that grants you +50 sta, +50 str, and frontal stun immunity. It's pretty ridiculous.

I did get some charity when I was starting out - some random guy gave me a Nathsar Greatsword in Nektulos Forest when I was level 8. (Thanks, random guy from 2 years ago!) But it wasn't difficult to find extra cash from there to afford things like bronze and banded (bronze is just fine if you are an ogre). And a Nathsar Greatsword really isn't that much money, anyway. A little patience farming up decaying skeletons and selling the bone chips in ec tunnel would let you afford one soon enough.

As was said above, knight classes can hold aggro without any special gear, and bronze and banded are cheap, easy to buy, and will tide you over AC-wise until you can get better stuff, many levels later. I was farming the divine aura idols in Highpass for awhile when I decided I finally needed to buy myself a few upgrades. So, yeah, if you decide to go that route don't worry so much about being poor or ill-equipped. Shadowknights are less gear-dependent and better at soloing up some money than most people give them credit for.

[Sage Truthbearer]

Originally Posted by Gnomish Elite [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm looking to start off as either a Paladin or SK and am wondering what I can expect with roles in groups/raids, as well as solo ability in case I need to resort to it? Also I'm wondering how gear dependent these classes are at least early on, and what races I should consider for each?

- Your role in groups is to tank. Do you enjoy tanking? If so, both classes excel at this.

- Neither class plays a significant role in raiding, especially in Velious.

- Neither class is particularly good at soloing. Expect to mostly have to group to play EQ.

- Neither class is dependent on items when it comes to your primary job as a tank; to get and maintain mob aggro. You're thinking of a Warrior.

- If you're not min/maxing, then just pick the race that you think looks the coolest.

[mattydef]

I solo'd on my paladin to 51 in under 3 weeks. I also solo'd on my less geared SK to 35 so far perfectly fine. Play what you want don't just min/max. I usually make my decision by choosing a class that looks fun and picking the race that has the cooler looking armor.

[Nixtar]

Originally Posted by mattydef [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I solo'd on my paladin to 51 in under 3 weeks. I also solo'd on my less geared SK to 35 so far perfectly fine. Play what you want don't just min/max. I usually make my decision by choosing a class that looks fun and picking the race that has the cooler looking armor.

Most players are like this. Unfortunately the min-maxers like to be vocal about their opinion and LOVE to make anyone who isn't playing like they do feel like shit about their choices.

Classic example are the debates over monk/necro iksar. They make it sound like if you don't go iksar these classes are completely unplayable and will be worthless when in reality the benefit is nowhere near as significant as they like to claim.

In-game example, had people deny a rogue(post epic nerf) because he didn't have his epic. The rogue wasn't even lvl40. Promptly left the group, leaving them without a tank because f*** players like this.