Common Man's ToV Raid Scene - Page 3

Daldaen · #1 03-04-2016, 10:57 AM

Mages are an absolutely terrible way to determine FTE. FTE is also an absolutely terrible way to handle a zone that is intended to be crawled and have guards for every mob semi linked to them.

It requires your tracker be 100% attentive for the entire window. Any faltering at all, even for 1 second and you lose the mob. You fizzle, you lose the mob. You swap out trackers, you lose the mob. It's dumb dumb dumb.

The problem I have with some player made agreement is we've been burned on that before. An agreement was made after some QQ about FTEing a second mob while another was engaged. Hokushin was pointed to 2013 era VP rules, and the second mob was dropped. Three weeks later, when Rampage no longer existed, we expected this to be the norm. Naturally when a mob was at 13% we were getting ready to FTE a mob and a guild already engaged in a mob FTEs it, then claims that "agreement" was made with Hokushin only and is now null and void.

These sorts of raid agreements being thrown out After no consultation led to the way things are. Without the server fully enforcing the rule I have minimal faith in their benefit to all guilds involved if on a whim the guilds in an agreement can just throw them to the wind.

Let me be clear. The failure to adhere to these rules is no one guild or individual's fault. It's been a server problem since I started. There are almost no penalties in place for canceling out prior agreements on a whim. Which is why making them a server rule is so crucial.

What I would prefer personally, beyond full repops, removal of binds or some sort of server rotation (all of which don't appear to have any shot in hell at occuring) is this:

1 ranger tracker at Vulak pillar, face track whatever WToV or Dozekar's you want to.
All FTEers must be behind the entrance door on spawn to be eligible to FTE. Also for Kael you need to be at WL on the dirt area before it turns to Ice because Kael CotHQuest is equally retarded.
SoW or Spirit of Scale allowed, you figure out if the inability to cast is worth extra runspeed.
Any class is allowed to FTE. Run up Hide/Sneak rogue, or monks, or DA bomb with a Necro, or hell just send Rangers for the lols.
Any number of runners allowed.
Anything that happens beyond the wing doorways until FTE goes out is fair game. You want to fire off an AE drake on some hide sneak rogues, go for it. You want to break FD on a few monks by popping AEs, have fun. You wanna leave a rogue hanging way behind waiting for the dust to settle to dance over everyone's corpses and FTE, enjoy yourself. You want to YOLO your way on a defensive warrior back to Cekenar have fun.

But last I heard the concern about foot races was maybe people would set off north mob AEs on purpose to break hides and sneaks. Meh so what, so long as it's happening before FTE goes out, have fun.

Once that turns into a cluster of 15 monks at the zoneline at all times maybe people will come back to the drawing boards and consider perhaps devoting 6+ people to tracking each mob isn't worth it when the split on mobs is 50/50 anyways and rotations may be the way to go after all.

-Catherin- · #2 03-04-2016, 11:04 AM

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Once that turns into a cluster of 15 monks at the zoneline at all times maybe people will come back to the drawing boards and consider perhaps devoting 6+ people to tracking each mob isn't worth it when the split on mobs is 50/50 anyways and rotations may be the way to go after all.

Until every guild on the server wants to get on those rotations [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am a fan of rotations as well but also know, and have seen how those get taken advantage of and go to pot too.

#bringbackblackouthours

Daldaen · #3 03-04-2016, 11:16 AM

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Until every guild on the server wants to get on those rotations [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am a fan of rotations as well but also know, and have seen how those get taken advantage of and go to pot too.

#bringbackblackouthours

Basically yes.

The way things are guilds mob counts wouldn't shift much if we just did a 50/50 split.

But once CSG and BDA ask to be on the rotation and that drops to 25%, there will be salt.

Either the same thing from Class R will happen "You must slay Sontalak for your ToV week" and "you must slay AoW for your Kael week", ridiculous milestones will be put up to farm much easier mobs in an attempt to keep people out. Or people will say F this we are willing to put in the time, back to the big gay pile of CotHQuest.

The reason I stress GM intervention is, let's say we make an agreement like Fifield proposes, then one guild breaks it. What happens? There's no server rule that can punish them, therefore there is no deterrent to breaking the agreements. People can get pretty crazy over a single mobs pixels and have broken agreements for less.

I've tried to PM Sirken to set up a chat between guilds with him present, he seems to like hanging out on his stream, hell I'll go on your stream if you want to talk about this with other guild leaderships and make something change. But he hasn't responded. In fairness I'm sure there's better ways of getting ahold of him than PM.

Erati · #4 03-04-2016, 11:24 AM

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hell I'll go on your stream if you want to talk about this with other guild leaderships and make something change. But he hasn't responded. In fairness I'm sure there's better ways of getting ahold of him than PM.

WTB Dald on Sirken stream next week

Raev · #5 03-04-2016, 01:35 PM

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"You must slay Sontalak for your ToV week"

100% down for this. Whoever kills Sontalak gets TOV for the weekend.

Anyway, all I see is Fifield slowly realizing FA's 'we ran Rampage off the server because we are this amazing competitive force' narrative is pure spin. You guys had no problem trying to burn out Rampage with this mage idiocy, expecting that history would repeat and you guys would get a year of uncontested TOV the way TMO got a year of uncontested VP after Kunark. Instead you got two weeks: awakened is already the number one guild on the server, scoring over 50% in TOV and killing Tunare/AOW from 100%.

I don't see us making any player agreements, either. FA has a long history of being very . . . creative . . . with player agreements, e.g. Nalken and shadowstep. I personally would vote for a rotation in TOV, but on our side I kind of have to wonder if your alliance will just fall apart in another month or two of this.

What you should be doing is trying to get everyone from the four major guilds together to agree on a repop system. Something like 1/3 of all raid mobs, spread equally across all zones simultaneously respawn 5x per weeek at a random time weighted towards North America > Europe > Asia with some sort of anti parkout system where everyone has to start from a 'rally zone' and no Kael/TOV binds sounds super fun.

Nibblewitz · #6 03-04-2016, 01:38 PM

18 hours

a day

on everquest

Speedi · #7 03-04-2016, 05:57 PM

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Basically yes.

The way things are guilds mob counts wouldn't shift much if we just did a 50/50 split.

But once CSG and BDA ask to be on the rotation and that drops to 25%, there will be salt.

100% agree with that. And I wouldn't blame people for getting salty.

If there was a rotation I would suggest a silent agreement. This way you avoid the other guilds trying to get free loot.

The moment you posted a public agreement, within a month or less other guilds would be wanting it in on it as well.

Loose lips sink ships! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ella`Ella · #8 03-04-2016, 06:26 PM

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100% agree with that. And I wouldn't blame people for getting salty.

If there was a rotation I would suggest a silent agreement. This way you avoid the other guilds trying to get free loot.

The moment you posted a public agreement, within a month or less other guilds would be wanting it in on it as well.

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^

If you're going to rotate mobs - which Awakened and ForsakenGard really should, since there are no more 'firsts' to be had, keep it between yourselves.

solutionx · #9 03-04-2016, 11:03 AM

i have ten fingers on my hand daddy

anyways if you were being serious, i remember guilds just kinda, you know - like - sort of, getting along? i don't remembering so much GM intervention, and unofficial server forums and guild leader connections was a foundation for coordination between high or low tier raiding guilds, so everyone got a chance without the damn pressure. just a chance on the agreed schedule.

then again i might have been on a lucky server, because i've already heard how shit some servers on live were when it came to simply sharing.

Tycoon · #10 03-04-2016, 04:31 PM

Rotations are garbage. Every Joe Blow will feel entitled to their week and will ruin it for the hundreds that are more interested in/capable of doing it under the gun.

That being said, this is an emu elf sim that is rerunning 15 year old content. Plenty of people playing here should be able to experience it without competing with the neckbeards. Where are the earthquakes? If we're going to instil any kind of rotation I feel it should be based on planned earthquakes where the 'Class R' guilds get to battle it out and the neckbeards grab popcorn.

Also, CothQuest is GARBAGE and we should be rid of it on all FTE's. Not just ToV