Swish was right

[polishanarchy]

I played on red for about ~43 levels or something. The xp is super fast, no doubt about that. There were always twinks camped in popular leveling zones. In some cases you can gang up and kill them till they log (why should they fight an unfair battle), which is fun I guess if you're into the "you wasted my time so I'm gonna waste your time" mentality. Heard not great things about getting up to 49 or so when raiders who stay in the low 50s are waiting to gank you at will.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Vallanor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm sure Swish is right that grouping at low levels with no gear newbies on red is a blast. But a ruleset that encourages people to fuck with you in a horribly balanced PVP setting just sounds awful. No amount of exp bonus and mages in rags is enough to convince me to overlook that some twinked-out psychopath can grief me at will. If that's your cup of tea, then more power to you, but red is definitely not for everyone.

I agree, red is not for everyone, but it all comes down to your perspective. You have to understand and accept the pvp mindset. It's not about making others miserable it's about having fun... in a different way ^^ If you expect pvp to happen, you won't be disappointed when it does. Whether you win or lose, chances are you'll learn something. You don't lose anything aside from coin when you die and if you're a good sport you might even land a Rez from your tankers. Sometimes you'll run into someone who is generally unpleasant, but 95% of your experience is all about your attitude ^^

[myriverse]

You know something is really wrong if they have to give you such a huge XP bonus, and still 90% of the people don't stick with it.

[Raev]

Most of the red arguments are a huge bait and switch. Sure, Red is a lot of fun 1-50. The group XP bonus and the low population mean it feels like some sort of upgraded version of Blue where get way more group invites, level faster, and don't have to worry about everything being camped.

Then you get to L50, and everyone you meet will try to kill you on sight. Most of this will be pure griefing. For example:

• The guy who turned in 50 bone chips to boost his Legion of Cabilis faction and tried to gank my necro at the bank
• The two Friends druids who snuck up on a BnB group and cast double Blizzard (thankfully I was always anal about resist cold!) for like 4 kills in 5 seconds. I have to admit I laughed.
• Multiple Wizards (Hookrs I'm looking at you!) who think casting Ice Comet from the roof of City of Mist is the epitomy of PVP skill
• Gaffin (Kerwin) trying to kill my necro on a CR; he's terrible so I nearly killed him despite being naked but my groupmates actually healed him after he got some mobs on him [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
• Random Empire Druid trying to stomp my Necro in EJ and gating ASAP after I dropped Ignite Blood and Bond of Death on him and dispelled winged death

The point is: on the forums, all of the red propagandists will talk about how PVP is this great way to resolve camp disputes. On the actual server, PVP is a great way for people who are bad at life to feel good about themselves by upping their KDR via sneak attacks.

I don't really feel that people on either server play for challenge or enjoyment. It's all GIVE ME DOPAMINE PLZ. Blue players get it from pixels, Red players get it either from pixels or kills.

[wormed]

Honestly, the reason why Blue starts to suck is because it was stuck on Kunark for almost 3x longer than the content could provide for. Now everyone is an uber geared asshole and can compete for every mob in Velious. Now Velious will stick around for 3x as long as the content is viable for and be done.

Maybe it isn't Blue and Red that sucks but the idea of EQ staying in era's that cannot sustain lengthy play times unless you're a masochist, unemployed, or enjoy making 12 level 30 alts over and over.

[Kerwin]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Most of the red arguments are a huge bait and switch. Sure, Red is a lot of fun 1-50. The group XP bonus and the low population mean it feels like some sort of upgraded version of Blue where get way more group invites, level faster, and don't have to worry about everything being camped.

Then you get to L50, and everyone you meet will try to kill you on sight. Most of this will be pure griefing. For example:

• The guy who turned in 50 bone chips to boost his Legion of Cabilis faction and tried to gank my necro at the bank
• The two Friends druids who snuck up on a BnB group and cast double Blizzard (thankfully I was always anal about resist cold!) for like 4 kills in 5 seconds. I have to admit I laughed.
• Multiple Wizards (Hookrs I'm looking at you!) who think casting Ice Comet from the roof of City of Mist is the epitomy of PVP skill
• Gaffin (Kerwin) trying to kill my necro on a CR; he's terrible so I nearly killed him despite being naked but my groupmates actually healed him after he got some mobs on him [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
• Random Empire Druid trying to stomp my Necro in EJ and gating ASAP after I dropped Ignite Blood and Bond of Death on him and dispelled winged death

The point is: on the forums, all of the red propagandists will talk about how PVP is this great way to resolve camp disputes. On the actual server, PVP is a great way for people who are bad at life to feel good about themselves by upping their KDR via sneak attacks.

I don't really feel that people on either server play for challenge or enjoyment. It's all GIVE ME DOPAMINE PLZ. Blue players get it from pixels, Red players get it either from pixels or kills.

lol i never really attack anyone on cr's so im interested in what your name was, if empire then ok i believe i probably did that

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The point is: on the forums, all of the red propagandists will talk about how PVP is this great way to resolve camp disputes. On the actual server, PVP is a great way for people who are bad at life to feel good about themselves by upping their KDR via sneak attacks.

I don't really feel that people on either server play for challenge or enjoyment. It's all GIVE ME DOPAMINE PLZ. Blue players get it from pixels, Red players get it either from pixels or kills.

As someone who played on tallon and sullon zek for a long time, that's pretty much how I figured it was on red99.

It's no different than pvp servers from live. That doesn't make it bad ... but you have to accept and acknowledge it for what it is ... and you do NOT see that reflected in the 'come join red' threads. I know how it is, there is fun and enjoyment in it if that's what you're into.

As for me, my p99 experience is a trip down memory lane and a chance to experience old classic content from new angles. I never got to play a lot of my chosen classes until much later in the game when the population was spread out and old zones were ghost towns.

[Raev]

Originally Posted by Kerwin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lol i never really attack anyone on cr's so im interested in what your name was, if empire then ok i believe i probably did that

Summary: I died to a vapor golem in City of Mist; Kerwin attacks me as soon as I zone in naked; I DA and drag my corpse to the zone line; lifetap him while rooted, then loot and try to invis run to my group, but Celeste saves Kerwin by mezzing the golems that would have killed him at 20% life, so I gate out (because 110 base int sucks). Also I was either in Thunderdome or unguilded at the time.

[Thu Jun 11 12:51:24 2015] A vapor golem hits YOU for 37 points of damage.
[Thu Jun 11 12:51:24 2015] You have been slain by a vapor golem!
[Thu Jun 11 12:51:24 2015] You have lost experience.
[Thu Jun 11 12:51:28 2015] Returning to Cabilis East, please wait...
[Thu Jun 11 12:51:28 2015] LOADING, PLEASE WAIT...
[Thu Jun 11 13:04:55 2015] You have entered The City of Mist.
[Thu Jun 11 13:05:13 2015] Kerwin begins to cast a spell.
[Thu Jun 11 13:05:14 2015] Kerwin regains concentration and continues casting.
[Thu Jun 11 13:05:14 2015] Your shadows fade.
[Thu Jun 11 13:05:14 2015] Your feet become entwined. You have taken 69 points of damage.
[Thu Jun 11 13:05:28 2015] You begin casting Harmshield.
[Thu Jun 11 13:05:42 2015] Summoning Tideka's corpse...
[Thu Jun 11 13:06:00 2015] LOADING, PLEASE WAIT...
[Thu Jun 11 13:06:16 2015] You have entered The Emerald Jungle.
[Thu Jun 11 13:06:26 2015] Your feet become entwined. You have taken 69 points of damage.
[Thu Jun 11 13:06:28 2015] Kerwin begins to cast a spell.
[Thu Jun 11 13:06:29 2015] You have been healed for 151 points of damage.
[Thu Jun 11 13:06:29 2015] Tideka beams a smile at Kerwin
[Thu Jun 11 13:06:29 2015] Tideka says 'Ahhh, I feel much better now...'
[Thu Jun 11 13:06:29 2015] Kerwin was hit by non-melee for 151 points of damage.
[Thu Jun 11 13:06:29 2015] Kerwin staggers..
[Thu Jun 11 13:06:48 2015] LOADING, PLEASE WAIT...
[Thu Jun 11 13:07:02 2015] You have entered The City of Mist.
[Thu Jun 11 13:07:09 2015] You receive 37 platinum, 403 gold, 76 silver and 88 copper from the corpse.
[Thu Jun 11 13:07:51 2015] Kerwin tries to crush YOU, but misses!
[Thu Jun 11 13:07:51 2015] Your shadows fade.
[Thu Jun 11 13:07:51 2015] You gather shadows about you.
[Thu Jun 11 13:07:52 2015] A haze golem hits Kerwin for 33 points of damage.
[Thu Jun 11 13:07:52 2015] A haze golem bashes Kerwin for 17 points of damage.
[Thu Jun 11 13:08:08 2015] Celeste begins to cast a spell.
[Thu Jun 11 13:08:11 2015] A haze golem has been mesmerized.
[Thu Jun 11 13:08:16 2015] You begin casting Gate.
[Thu Jun 11 13:08:36 2015] You have entered Cabilis East.

[iruinedyourday]

hehe dude come on city of mist? you're rustled about getting ganked in the city of mist? lol

[Raev]

I wondered when some tool would come out of the shed with a vapid 'u mad bro'. No, I just consider it a community service to shine the light of truth through the 'come play red' propaganda.

Also for the record I died 0 times in PVP. http://www.r99pvp.net/seasonone/showplayer.php?p=Tideka

I'm sure I could have gotten more kills if I went around ganking people, but I never did.