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[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't get bogged down in bullshit. The systematic corruption and infestation of our political system by special interests and the economic elite is the single greatest over-arching issue that is systematically destroying our country, and makes progress impossible. Bernie Sanders is the only candidate truly committed to at least attempting to do something about this. Everything else-- guns, black people, abortion, scandals, is a sideshow that just dilutes what is really important.

Just a reminder, national security threats are highly sensationalized. Russia has a GDP smaller than the state of California, and aside from Putin's eccentricity, has few reasons to conflict geopolitically with the United States.

There is no coherent foreign policy under current rules of engagement that would result in a positive outcome in Syria. Deploying troops would be 100% counterproductive. You cannot win an occupation against an insurgency unless you are the Wehrmacht.

great lune, you just made a post I will never stop quoting in every political thread for the next year [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Spyder73]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't get bogged down in bullshit. The systematic corruption and infestation of our political system by special interests and the economic elite is the single greatest over-arching issue that is systematically destroying our country, and makes progress impossible. Bernie Sanders is the only candidate truly committed to at least attempting to do something about this. Everything else-- guns, black people, abortion, scandals, is a sideshow that just dilutes what is really important.

Just a reminder, national security threats are highly sensationalized. Russia has a GDP smaller than the state of California, and aside from Putin's eccentricity, has few reasons to conflict geopolitically with the United States.

There is no coherent foreign policy under current rules of engagement that would result in a positive outcome in Syria. Deploying troops would be 100% counterproductive. You cannot win an occupation against an insurgency unless you are the Wehrmacht.

Bernie Sanders is a career politician, so in my opinion he is just as bad as anyone else - However, I completely agree with his war on the 1% - I guess someone trying is better than no one trying, but I fear its all just talk to try to get elected.

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by Spyder73 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bernie Sanders is a career politician, so in my opinion he is just as bad as anyone else - However, I completely agree with his war on the 1% - I guess someone trying is better than no one trying, but I fear its all just talk to try to get elected.

Bernie makes sense. The war on the 0.1% makes sense (its not really 1% thats too high).

He said it best, the fact a Wallstreet guy doesn't think he should pay additional taxes after a 5 billion dollar profit is a prime example of how insane and oligarchic this country has become economically.

Even 5 billion dollars. The guy making billion dollar profits doesn't think he should pay a little extra. That's nearly the definition of an oligarchy.

[quido]

Mainstream news outlets such as CNN and MSNBC are owned by billionaires. Conflict of interest?

Al-Jazeera has better balance, perspective, and integrity in reporting US current events than any major news outlet here.

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Mainstream news outlets such as CNN and MSNBC are owned by billionaires. Conflict of interest?

Al-Jazeera has better balance, perspective, and integrity in reporting US current events than any major news outlet here.

Leaning more and more towards being pro-media regulation pertaining to election-cycles and election coverage. Its making more and more sense to regulate this business with unchecked power and serious conflicts of interest.

CNN MSNBC etc are corporations who have corporate interests, they are going to automatically shit on any candidates that aren't their quid-pro-quo buddies.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Mainstream news outlets such as CNN and MSNBC are owned by billionaires. Conflict of interest?

Al-Jazeera has better balance, perspective, and integrity in reporting US current events than any major news outlet here.

I read Al-Jazeera. This is generally true, but Al-Jazeera is disgustingly sympathetic to Palestinians. They focus overwhelmingly on the plight of Palestinians in this situation with little regard for context or the big picture of things.

"Butchering Israeli civilians is okay because muh feelings, muh oppression, muh religion of violence."

I'm not a fan of Israel, but looking at the whole thing pragmatically, I want to see Muslims being brutalized. And nobody brutalizes Muslims better than Israel, except maybe other Muslims.

Otherwise it's a pretty great news source though. Objective with a slight economic-left and social-right slant.

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Objective with a slight economic-left and social-right slant.

I love me some Arabic monarchy.

[Bones]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Mainstream news outlets such as CNN and MSNBC are owned by billionaires. Conflict of interest?

Al-Jazeera has better balance, perspective, and integrity in reporting US current events than any major news outlet here.

woah I agree with you on something [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Nextwave]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't get bogged down in bullshit. The systematic corruption and infestation of our political system by special interests and the economic elite is the single greatest over-arching issue that is systematically destroying our country, and makes progress impossible.

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[iruinedyourday]

Dont want to derail Lune's very well thought out and intelligent counterpoints, but more off beat media covering the medias coverup of Bernies pretty clear victory last night: http://www.alternet.org/media/bernie...ary-won-debate