Stormfeather camp rules (proposal)

[maestrom]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you really want to play on a server where someone rule lawyers you out of everything you try and camp?

Just play nice, the community isn't that toxic... or is it?

I really really really really do.

No one can rule lawyer you out of a camp if you're following the rules.

The only people that get "screwed" by the rules are people who are breaking them.

[Utmost]

Originally Posted by bktroost [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But yeah my opinion is well documented.



You've lost your mind. An infinite list for a mob that every melee in the game wants and can take over a week of sitting there to "hold you spot on a list" seems like good clean fun? No this isn't classic. There was never 100 people sitting in Icelcad for weeks on end hoping to maintain their place on a fictitious list that is sure to be corrupted.

IF there is a list then for the benefit of all your wives, please let it only be 3 deep or something minimal. To avoid list manipulation, they have to be there. If we had more than three people taking off work for two weeks or more sitting in Iceclad then all the IT departments in the world would suddenly crumble. You know you nerds all work in IT. If an infinite list gets created I will plan my major company network hack scheme to line up with that timeline, so just keep me informed.

You want to sit for 19 hours at a time watching two other people maybe get this bird? Go for it, but that's the only way you make sure lists aren't toxic or manipulated.

I brought wife faction to kindly having to stay logged on at SF camp for a week. It's back to dubious, thx double exp

[Droog007]

Originally Posted by bktroost [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You want to sit for 19 hours at a time watching two other people maybe get this bird? Go for it, but that's the only way you make sure lists aren't toxic or manipulated.

Did you miss the part about AFK being fine? Like with any other camp? Again, I don't WANT this. I'm trying to make something that sucks into something that's less headache for the staff. Because people WILL show up and wait for days on end. People WILL be shitty and manipulate the list... this is when GMs and logfiles come into play. I am trying to establish a framework to minimize the shittyness.

You'd rather just endlessly plead with P99'ers to stop poopsocking? GFL.

[Droog007]

Originally Posted by Utmost [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I brought wife faction to kindly having to stay logged on at SF camp for a week. It's back to dubious, thx double exp

I had pretty much the same experience. I was basically unable to "play" EverQuest for 3-1/2 days, except for being on-hand during windows. She loved it.

[Droog007]

Originally Posted by bktroost [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

OMG, the horror!

BTW.. using a prototype of the framework I described, I got my mask this week. It was very relaxed and amicable - people congratulating the #1 spot when they got their spawn. It's almost like a brotherhood... I'll always remember my time on the ice with Rainbowcop, Philliez, Someyung, and Muaytai. Corrupt and toxic? Not on my watch...

Speedfeather forever! Never, never Somedayfeather!

[Rooj]

I'm confused. What was wrong with FTE? It's a lot less boring, considering you can actually go play the game while waiting for spawn times instead of sitting in the same spot doing nothing all day (or longer). That's not a fun game and I don't understand why we'd choose to make the game less fun when we don't have to. Gathering at a spawn point when the spawn time is nearing and competing for FTE is classic in not only Everquest but most MMOs from it's era. I'm pretty sure that's what most people are used to. Claiming that something like Stormfeather is a camp is pointless, because camps weren't formally supported by SOE and on live if you were "camping" Stormfeather you by no means had any rights to the loot. If you were to petition back then, the staff would've told you that either the first to hit the target had the loot rights, or the group that did the most damage. So we should really be picking between one of those two. From what I've seen on the forums, keeping up with lists does nothing but cause drama and frustration. If a list is truly the way this is going to go (barf), then the staff should probably require the list be up to date in it's own forum thread at all times.

[Daldaen]

FTE is better for most people. Show up for 1-2 hours and try. If you don't get him give up and come back next day. You're free to play the game or do anything else in between.

Problem is anyone with bad ping will inevitably always lose an FTE race.

Camping is better for people with bad pings or people with no lives who can sit at a camp for 6 days straight.

Tough to be fair to everyone. I'm a big fan of FTE with minimal/no variance. No worries if you lose, you spent very little time contesting the spawn, just try again next spawn.

[Rooj]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Problem is anyone with bad ping will inevitably always lose an FTE race. Camping is better for people with bad pings or people with no lives who can sit at a camp for 6 days straight.

It's 2015, bad ping no longer exists, unless there is a physical issue with the connection which causes lag, and no one in that scenario is going to expect to claim anything, rightfully so.

And I certainly see no reason to reward those with no lives as that's a reward in itself. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Valse]

Originally Posted by Rooj [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's 2015, bad ping no longer exists, unless there is a physical issue with the connection which causes lag, and no one in that scenario is going to expect to claim anything, rightfully so.

And I certainly see no reason to reward those with no lives as that's a reward in itself. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sure it does. Someone in new york is going to have a 30-40ms ping, someone in seattle will be in the 110-140ms range through no fault of their own...just physical distance to the servers in New Jersey. 1/10th of a second difference to send your information to the server is a lifetime when people are mashing the buttons to be the first to send an instruction (like casting a net on a mob).

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Rooj [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's 2015, bad ping no longer exists, unless there is a physical issue with the connection which causes lag, and no one in that scenario is going to expect to claim anything, rightfully so.

And I certainly see no reason to reward those with no lives as that's a reward in itself. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People halfway across the world from you have worse ping connecting to a server based in America than you do. Also there are people who live in the middle of no where with shit internet being the only option.

Those are who gets the shaft