8th Ring / Gloridain / Ragetrade - Page 3

Daldaen · #21 08-25-2015, 10:45 AM

Also spawning him outside the hut after a successful turnin so that you can't misclick onto him, another easy solution.

But it sounds like they aren't inclined to do either. That may just result in a few extra petitions a week about eaten marching orders. If that's fine with the powers that be, so be it.

azeth · #22 08-25-2015, 10:59 AM

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Please no variance that would be the worst possible solution.

Showing up for 5min, losing orders and petitioning to get them back is immensely better than staring at a wall clicking for 8 hours night after night losing the turnins,

not sure if you're up on petition time turnarounds, but it's a long wait.

i've requested ring 1-7 in the time it's taken for mine.

Ele · #23 08-25-2015, 11:05 AM

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"I have no use for this item. You can have it back"

Easy solution.

"Easy solution", if you don't want people losing the superfluous turn-in piece(s) or petitioning for reimbursement.

Implementing it this way still encourages people to not queue, crowd the mob, and use autofire for turning in.

Daldaen · #24 08-25-2015, 11:09 AM

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not sure if you're up on petition time turnarounds, but it's a long wait.

i've requested ring 1-7 in the time it's taken for mine.

Im aware on the delay, I have a petition waiting for a Dirk reimbursement due to incorrect faction check on the Dain.

But you can't honestly say, that having to resort to clicking air for 8 hours with variance would be any sort of improvement to the current situation. People will still click air with variance being in. People did it with Ragefire and Stormfeather... They'll do it here too.

All variance does is push casuals away from completing things and reward neckbeards for staring at their screen for 8 hours doing nothing else but clicking.

Plus for most people, they cannot solo the ring war. And the timer on the event before Garadian charges is minimal such that players couldn't port to Iceclad or GD and run over... so they would have to have friends camped out for 8 hours waiting to log in. Whereas now you can have your friends present for 5 minutes and if you don't get the turn in, oh well.

I agree something being done about the turnins getting eaten would be good. But variance is not the solution to this.

Fanguru · #25 08-25-2015, 11:22 AM

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All variance does is push casuals away from completing things and reward neckbeards for staring at their screen for 8 hours doing nothing else but clicking.

I agree variance pushes casual players away.
Yet no variance pushes non-US citizens away. Right now you need a very good ping to compete for that turn-in. There is no way an asian or euro can compete at the moment.
I have a fantastic fiber optics connection, yet mobs are triggered before I can even see the NPC pop.
It was the case with ragefire and nobles click fests.

At least with a little variance (not the 16 hours nightmare), we could hope people aren't fully focused when mob pops.

**Haynar** · #26 08-25-2015, 11:23 AM

I am pretty sure they plan dirk replacements.

You rageclick ur turn in and get wrong version of NPC? Typical CSR response on this would result in no reimbursement. Its the risk you take.

Totally getting wrong NPC, sometimes they reimburse. Not always.

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paulgiamatti · #27 08-25-2015, 11:26 AM

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Learning to get along, take turns, and play nice with others also works. There is no reason to change it to cater to the asshats.

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I've witnessed the Gloradin click-fest a few times now, and I just think it's really unfair to say that everyone who's doing it is being an "asshat".

A lot of the people there competing for it are really kind, selfless players, some of which I've had really great grouping or raiding experiences with. They're not there to screw people over. They're there to compete for the 8th ring in the only way that they can - by being the first person to turn in the Marching Orders to Gloradin.

It's not like some warrior from Omni, or some monk from Divinity, or what have you, can simply just chime in ten minutes before the spawn and be like, "Hey, guys? Can't we work something out here?" I mean, they can, but do you really think every single person there is going to just drop it and go along with some alternative plan?

I am all for working things out and learning to play nice, but look at how these things have been handled by players and staff alike historically - look at things like Eldreth and Ragefire. I just think saying people are "asshats" because they're participating in a click-fest is a really lazy way of assessing and dealing with the situation, and I hope the rest of the P99 staff doesn't share this opinion.

Fanguru · #28 08-25-2015, 11:32 AM

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I just think saying people are "asshats" because they're participating in a click-fest is a really lazy way of assessing and dealing with the situation, and I hope the rest of the P99 staff doesn't share this opinion.

Thank you sir, one Internet to you.

Daldaen · #29 08-25-2015, 11:36 AM

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I agree variance pushes casual players away.
Yet no variance pushes non-US citizens away. Right now you need a very good ping to compete for that turn-in. There is no way an asian or euro can compete at the moment.
I have a fantasatic fiber optics connection, yet mobs are triggered before I can even see the NPC pop.
It was the case with ragefire and nobles click fests.

At least with a little variance (not the 16 hours nightmare), we could hope people aren't fully focused when mob pops.

True, or have US friends who can help you.

One of my guildmates lives in the middle of no where and has 300 ping. After having the issue you mention where the mob is already turned in before you see it on your screen, he asked another guildmate and myself to log in on his behalf. After we each logged him in 1 night, I got the turn in for him and finished up his ring while playing his character. He saw an issue and utilized guildmates/friends to overcome the issue. Not super classic, but in the spirit of classic.

The issue with high ping non-American players is a real one. If we get a euro time repop or server patch, that may help resolve this issue. If he is spawning at 10AM US time, most will be at work through the workdays and then euros have a better shot, for example.

Little variance or lots of variance won't help. Nerds will spam click regardless. And when nerds are spam clicking euros aren't going to be any better off.

I've seen atleast 1 turnin go to the high roller when the 4 or so people present agreed to do it that way and /random. The only problem with this system is the list will continue to grow. RNG should eventually fall in your favor but you could go from being 1 of 5 trying to turn in to being 1 in 20 trying to turn in and you may keep losing.

**Haynar** · #30 08-25-2015, 11:50 AM

If you are participating in a click fest, just to burden CSR staff with dealing with petitions of items that are likely to be lost, you are being a jerk. Intentionally causing more work for the staff, with the assumption that you will be reimbursed, at no risk to you = being an asshat.

Thanks for your long post justifying that the staffs time is less valuable than yours. You just proved which side you belong on.

Thank you. Have a nice day.

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