What is The Most Overpriced Piece of "Bad" Gear?

[Sorn]

Originally Posted by am0n [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When you only have a couple hundred plat, everything is overpriced.

I shed a tear every time I see the price list for things people say I should have as a druid.

Recently broke 1k, splurged 300pp on getting JC up to 55. Hunted hill giants all day, only to discover they were all broke too. 5gp? Come on, man... [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Swish]

Originally Posted by am0n [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When you only have a couple hundred plat, everything is overpriced.

That's the sad thing, the insane wealth gap for new players. Dropping a few thousand on CB belts is nothing to people that have been here a few years but to new players, selling 10-20 of those things is a huge deal.

[Ele]

Some pricing is just naturally based on when the item is generally available to get as a drop or quested. Fresh players coming to the server generally get the same amount of plat through natural level progression as they did on live.

I would hypothesize that fresh players are actually much, much wealthier (whether in liquid funds or item progression) than they would have been on live during the same expansion time period with the trickle down of mid-tier and lower-high end Kunark gear being liquidated by high end players, giving away plat to newbies for spells, etc. Very few players have to level with rusty weapons.

Sure there are some items which have higher values, but the vast amount of plat farming (Pre & post Kunark), epic MQ farming, and extended timeline has caused far, far more wealth to circulate on P99 than live had (without exploits). High end players have hundreds of thousands in plat (some with millions) ready to get the items/MQs they want.

[untergang]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Some pricing is just naturally based on when the item is generally available to get as a drop or quested. Fresh players coming to the server generally get the same amount of plat through natural level progression as they did on live.

I would hypothesize that fresh players are actually much, much wealthier (whether in liquid funds or item progression) than they would have been on live during the same expansion time period with the trickle down of mid-tier and lower-high end Kunark gear being liquidated by high end players, giving away plat to newbies for spells, etc. Very few players have to level with rusty weapons.

Sure there are some items which have higher values, but the vast amount of plat farming (Pre & post Kunark), epic MQ farming, and extended timeline has caused far, far more wealth to circulate on P99 than live had (without exploits). High end players have hundreds of thousands in plat (some with millions) ready to get the items/MQs they want.

The problem is that nobody sells starter gear on this server. It took me a week to locate somebody who could make me a suit of banded armor and almost that long to locate a decent weapon I could afford, i.e. something that didn't cost hundreds of plat. And I was only able to buy that stuff because some guy randomly gave me a couple hundred plat. Someone who isn't as lucky as I was is going to have a really rough time rolling on a server where you can't buy a Mino Axe for 5pp at an appropriate level like you could in classic.

[Shjade]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I would hypothesize that fresh players are actually much, much wealthier (whether in liquid funds or item progression) than they would have been on live during the same expansion time period with the trickle down of mid-tier and lower-high end Kunark gear being liquidated by high end players, giving away plat to newbies for spells, etc. Very few players have to level with rusty weapons.

Sure there are some items which have higher values, but the vast amount of plat farming (Pre & post Kunark), epic MQ farming, and extended timeline has caused far, far more wealth to circulate on P99 than live had (without exploits). High end players have hundreds of thousands in plat (some with millions) ready to get the items/MQs they want.

Wealth is relative. When, as you point out, veteran players have hundreds of thousands-to-millions of plat stocked up, amounts that then have an impact on market prices (as items which might otherwise be somewhat more reasonably priced are inflated, knowing that they're often being sold to alts of the aforementioned extremely rich players as opposed to actual new characters who don't have those kinds of resources), the fact that new players may get more hand-me-downs than they would've during the same period on live isn't really a balanced tradeoff. They - and by they I actually mean "we," given I only started at the end of April myself - are likely much farther behind on the whole than they were on live outside of whatever lucky giveaways happen to land on them.

[tristantio]

Originally Posted by Shjade [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wealth is relative. When, as you point out, veteran players have hundreds of thousands-to-millions of plat stocked up, amounts that then have an impact on market prices (as items which might otherwise be somewhat more reasonably priced are inflated, knowing that they're often being sold to alts of the aforementioned extremely rich players as opposed to actual new characters who don't have those kinds of resources), the fact that new players may get more hand-me-downs than they would've during the same period on live isn't really a balanced tradeoff. They - and by they I actually mean "we," given I only started at the end of April myself - are likely much farther behind on the whole than they were on live outside of whatever lucky giveaways happen to land on them.

Most those hand-me-downs you are so quick to discount make leveling 1 to 60 much much easier.

Most the items that are out of reach and unfairly held by the fat-cats are either pure vanity, or needed only at the top level of raiding.

I'd say you have it much better than someone 5 months in back in 2010.

[Taminy]

Originally Posted by Shjade [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wealth is relative. When, as you point out, veteran players have hundreds of thousands-to-millions of plat stocked up, amounts that then have an impact on market prices (as items which might otherwise be somewhat more reasonably priced are inflated, knowing that they're often being sold to alts of the aforementioned extremely rich players as opposed to actual new characters who don't have those kinds of resources), the fact that new players may get more hand-me-downs than they would've during the same period on live isn't really a balanced tradeoff. They - and by they I actually mean "we," given I only started at the end of April myself - are likely much farther behind on the whole than they were on live outside of whatever lucky giveaways happen to land on them.

My main is a warrior, on live just like here. I started on server launch. If you think hard to get wealthy player stuff is a pain and hand me downs are all you got I don't want to hear it. I leveled when banded and bronze were leet.

You get much better stuff as a lowbie. The weapons alone that you can easily afford are a massive upgrade. Yeah affording a fungi as a new player is not going to happen, but you don't need a fungi to level up.

[Thulghor]

Originally Posted by Taminy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My main is a warrior, on live just like here. I started on server launch. If you think hard to get wealthy player stuff is a pain and hand me downs are all you got I don't want to hear it. I leveled when banded and bronze were leet.

You get much better stuff as a lowbie. The weapons alone that you can easily afford are a massive upgrade. Yeah affording a fungi as a new player is not going to happen, but you don't need a fungi to level up.

Preach.

[Shjade]

Originally Posted by Taminy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My main is a warrior, on live just like here. I started on server launch. If you think hard to get wealthy player stuff is a pain and hand me downs are all you got I don't want to hear it. I leveled when banded and bronze were leet.

You get much better stuff as a lowbie. The weapons alone that you can easily afford are a massive upgrade. Yeah affording a fungi as a new player is not going to happen, but you don't need a fungi to level up.

I didn't need anything to level up; I rolled a necromancer, expecting that I wouldn't have anything to level up but what I could afford on my own as I could afford it.

Four months later I can still only dream about affording a lot of things less expensive than a fungi.

It's not about leveling up.

[kaev]

Originally Posted by Shjade [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I didn't need anything to level up; I rolled a necromancer, expecting that I wouldn't have anything to level up but what I could afford on my own as I could afford it.

Four months later I can still only dream about affording a lot of things less expensive than a fungi.

It's not about leveling up.

Seriously? You chose to obsess XP over all else and now you're unhappy that your efforts have produced little besides gobs of XP? Do you even logic?