Game Mechanics: Nihilist Zeegarn / Nihilist Yeegarn incorrect item drop table

[koros]

Nilbog. What is the source of your db? Is it an actual VI db from the era or something more akin to lucy/magelo? A lot of items that were in the db never got discovered/uploaded to external dbs (either never discovered because there was no mob that dropped it, the few people who ever killed some of these npcs never uploaded them, or they were the result of otherwise unsolved obscure quests)

Like this item

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=3671

It was on allakhzam pre kunark, and no one knows how the quest was solved/item discovered.

[koros]

Also, although this mostly seems to be settled, this item is directly consecutive to the Nihilist items and is a known classic drop found on necro GMs and npcs. Seems to definitely conform to Rod of Battle not being the classic drop.

http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=12843

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/quest.html?quest=221

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#Jun 17 2002 at 8:25 PMRating: Default
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Has anyon tried killing the hermit it is possible he may drop a clue to the whole thing.
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#Sep 12 2002 at 11:09 AMRating: Decent
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Yes,

He drops the Drape of the Scholars

[tristantio]

From what I'm seeing:
http://www.chroniclesofnorrath.com/w...Yeegarn_(82027)

they should also drop a leather cap (they do not currently)

[Nirgon]

There was some super garbage item with the same graphic but staff of battle from Kaesora is more likely.

Agree on leather cap.

Where does that link determine these were a 10min respawn? Lots of NPCs we know their actual hp from someone using hacks back in the day... but did that also reveal respawn?

[Agatha]

thank you for everyone trying to get this worked out, i admit this is way beyond my scope.

[oricalum]

Originally Posted by Agatha [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

thank you for everyone trying to get this worked out, i admit this is way beyond my scope.

Breathing alone is almost beyond your scope, thank the gods you figured it out though.

[pasi]

Ok, so I did a guru search on the idfile of the weapon. Basically, this will return any item that shares the same graphics.

Search Results of Items with Similar Graphics

The only items that would have this graphic in Kunark were the Rod of Battle and the Nihilist Battlestaff. So, it's definitely one of those two items.

However, I would like to re-visit Nihilist Battle Staff. The item IDs that you originally posted were Allakhazam's IDs. Allakhazam assigns IDs based on when they get added to Allakhazam. A better indicator of when an item was added to the game would be the actual in-game ID which you can find on Lucy. For the Nihilist Battlestaff, that ID would be 12842.

http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=12842

The IDs of 12840 to 12842 puts these items in the time-line of added at launch with Kunark. You can look at items with similar numbers Here

Item IDs are not fullproof as occasionally an item ID will get modified instead of creating a new ID such as in the case of these bad boys. Overall though, it's a pretty accurate way of assessing when an item was added to the game (different from it being acquired).

My opinion of this (for what it's worth) is that it seems to be the case that these Nihilists should be dropping their Nihilist gear at this stage.

[nilbog]

Originally Posted by pasi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok, so I did a guru search on the idfile of the weapon. Basically, this will return any item that shares the same graphics.

Search Results of Items with Similar Graphics

The only items that would have this graphic in Kunark were the Rod of Battle and the Nihilist Battlestaff. So, it's definitely one of those two items.

However, I would like to re-visit Nihilist Battle Staff. The item IDs that you originally posted were Allakhazam's IDs. Allakhazam assigns IDs based on when they get added to Allakhazam. A better indicator of when an item was added to the game would be the actual in-game ID which you can find on Lucy. For the Nihilist Battlestaff, that ID would be 12842.

http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=12842

The IDs of 12840 to 12842 puts these items in the time-line of added at launch with Kunark. You can look at items with similar numbers Here

Item IDs are not fullproof as occasionally an item ID will get modified instead of creating a new ID such as in the case of these bad boys. Overall though, it's a pretty accurate way of assessing when an item was added to the game (different from it being acquired).

My opinion of this (for what it's worth) is that it seems to be the case that these Nihilists should be dropping their Nihilist gear at this stage.

Initially I thought that was gonna be the quick and easy fix. My first thought was.. similar to yours, see what other items use the same graphic.

select id,name from items where idfile = 'IT111'

3677 Lady Zavo's Toothpick
6657 Rod of Battle
27927 Rubicite Staff
31797 A Sambata Tribal Club
32332 Goranga Tribal Club
83914 Lake Tamer Staff
89010 Studded Bashing Staff

Then I found the battlestaff didn't exist in the database. That is usually indicative of non classic. I did find a classic shot of the Nihilist npc with a staff with that graphic. (Either a classic shot, or a shot from a client using the old npc font in, at least.)

I am setting the Rod of Battle drop from Nihilists to 0, until this is completely figured out.

[tristantio]

Well, I hope they do without being made too strong, as I want the robe

[pasi]

It's interesting that your database doesn't return Tnor'tesphi (an artifact) on the search since that should have been in the game before the Sambata and Goranga clubs.

Lucy usually requires an item to be seen in game by someone running the item collector. However, there's also a lot of stuff that was never acquirable in game up on Lucy. I don't know if your database would have require it to hit with item collector first (before it got uploaded a couple years ago).

The argument for Nihilist Battlestaff:
1) The NPC currently drops the staff, the robe, and the helmet, all of which she is showing graphically in screenshots.
2) The Battlestaff, Robe, and Helmet all have item IDs surrounded by other Kunark-launch items.
3) The fact that the item IDs are all consecutive (12840, 12841, 12842) even further supports that these items were ADDED with Kunark as opposed to developers adding new items by MODIFYING old item IDs. I posted the Askr's Gauntlets example where a PoP item has a Kunark ID. When this happens, it's usually a single point mutation. The other Askr's items all have PoP item IDs.

The argument in favor of Rod of Battle:
1) The database did not have Nihilist Battlestaff until way later.
2) The only other item with that graphic is Rod of Battle

There's really no satisfying answer here.

For me, the most convincing argument is the consecutive item IDs between other Kunark items. Although, you wouldn't be wrong by going in either direction.