Paladin weapon/shield vs 2hs

[Mistle]

Unless fighting serious casters a paladin using a one hander over a baton of faith (or better) is doing it wrong. It isnt even close. You arent saving clerics any mana with the puny difference shield ac makes. You are saving mana by making the mob die faster though and from 20 on its a very noticable difference.

Dont be bad. Put the shield away and actually contribute to the group.

[Ezalor]

Originally Posted by Mistle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Unless fighting serious casters a paladin using a one hander over a baton of faith (or better) is doing it wrong. It isnt even close. You arent saving clerics any mana with the puny difference shield ac makes. You are saving mana by making the mob die faster though and from 20 on its a very noticable difference.

Dont be bad. Put the shield away and actually contribute to the group.

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[curtischoy]

Originally Posted by Mistle

Unless fighting serious casters a paladin using a one hander over a baton of faith (or better) is doing it wrong. It isnt even close. You arent saving clerics any mana with the puny difference shield ac makes. You are saving mana by making the mob die faster though and from 20 on its a very noticable difference.

Dont be bad. Put the shield away and actually contribute to the group.

The difference in dps of 1h v 2h is puny. Not the difference between shield and no shield.

Originally Posted by Ezalor

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[Swish]

Most paladins quit before 50 anyway.

[Mistle]

Originally Posted by curtischoy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The difference in dps of 1h v 2h is puny. Not the difference between shield and no shield.

Wrong.

Its okay though. Lots of people going off their gut in this thread rather than learning the facts. They're the baddies with sword and board on regular mobs and then complaining no one wants a pally in a group.

[Ezalor]

Originally Posted by Mistle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wrong.

Its okay though. Lots of people going off their gut in this thread rather than learning the facts. They're the baddies with sword and board on regular mobs and then complaining no one wants a pally in a group.

i don't think it's any wonder why people have bad impressions of the paladin class after grouping with you

you don't even know the basic role of the class

[Mistle]

Wrong.

I just understand how to actually make it contribute. But you stand there with your little shield pretending that you are actually helping in any way beyond casting stun and fol while your group finds excuses to drop all you like. Less competition for me. :-)

[tristantio]

I thought on this era shield doesn't apply separate from normal AC cap (it's just treated as if it were the same AC as your breastplate).

If you're level capped for gear AC, shield won't be doing a whole lot (other than bash - but you can swap out your 2h and put on a shield for bashing when needed on the fly).

Also - all armor gets the bonus AC if you're a plate class (equip a 10 AC breastplate, watch yourself get 15AC). I think warriors get 2x not 1.5 but I may be misremembering.

[Mistle]

Not just "not a whole lot", you literally NEED a parser to see the difference even under optimal conditions.

These things are easily tested, even solo. Go fight a mob with each setup. See the difference. If it were close then arguments could be made... but its not. The difference that pitiful amount of ac makes is nowhere near enough to offset improved dps and aggro generation from far superior ratios on cheap two handers. After epic you cant even claim bash anymore. Sword and board after 20 is a bad paladin unless the target requires bashing and you are pre epic. There is no excuse for not having a baton.

[username17]

I have a 56 pally which I play often so I can speak from experience. Paladin DPS sucks no matter what weapon you use. My 35 monk with a IFS hits harder and more often than my pally with Her epic.
I personally used a Sword of the Morning and Sarnak shield until I got my Fiery Avenger and then Defender. Once I was 30 I started carrying my Soulfire and a Baton to keep my skills up. But when the going got tough I went back to sword and shield.
A paladins job is to be the best group tank while offering support via heals, stuns on mobs beating the enchanter or clerics face in, and maybe doing some root parking or lull pulling. Some people like to see big numbers and feel like they're helping kill the mob faster. I think that's where the 1h vs 2h debate comes from. I gave my paladin a haste item, but I had no delusions about my role. I am tank/support/heals, not DPS.

Whoever said using a Ghoulbane in Unrest at 20 is a bad idea is wrong. I was using my Ghoulbane in CoM at 40 and it was making a difference then. Imagine it's effectiveness at 20. The undead mobs just melt.

Regarding blind, I've found that sometimes (due to lag I guess) the game doesn't think I'm in melee range when I am. If I blind a mob when this happens it will run. My solution is to hit the mob atleast once (we miss a LOT, so stunning them in place first helps) and THEN blind. That tip should help.

I am by no means a Paladin expert. But I absolutely love my Paladin and enjoy playing her. Hit me up on one of the toons in my Sig if you have any questions. Or you can PM me on the boards.