Game Mechanics: Sneak / FD nerfs

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Colgate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i have seen a necro FD mem blur on mobs that were nowhere near their spawn point as recent as yesterday on red99

Perhaps I had absolutely horrid luck. I was in Skyfire doing the Felia cycle on my Necro and I wen through the 10+ FDs with the mob being well out of aggro range and he never blurred. I'd need to mess around more.

And yea, what Raev said.

[Raev]

We don't need a massive bug discussion here; we already had one.

1. Sneak in this era should drop on ranged attack. It was changed in Luclin or PoP or so. It used to drop here, then it was changed to not drop based on Autumn Dawnfire's guide posted in 2000 . . . but edited in 2002. Daldaen made an excellent catch there, but we didn't change it back because we didn't have ranged weapon delay/collision. Now we do.

2. I think the necro post in that thread I linked is pretty good evidence that sneak/invis/hide should prevent reaggro. We can talk more about it, but what is clearly wrong is 'sneak/invis/hide perform a guaranteed blur'. That really needs to go.

[Colgate]

weird, had a necro with aggro on all of VP sitting in hoshkar's lair standing and feigning over and over and part of his train of mobs eventually made their way back up to their spawn points

[nilbog]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1. Now that we have projectiles working (great work Haynar) can we get sneak dropping on ranged attack?

2. Somehow the sneak/invis clearing aggro patch got rolled back. Basically any time you stand up while indifferent you are guaranteed to blur.

When both of these are fixed pulling is going to be a lot more classic (not to mention balanced!) around here.

Should it drop when you attack, or when damage hits?

[Raev]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Should it drop when you attack, or when damage hits?

It should drop when you attack.

The thread is http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=140809 and especially Daldaen's post which is like #5 or 6 on the first page.

[Treats]

It also should have no impact after Feign Death.

NPC's should come after you no matter if you have sneak on or not unless you have a successful blur roll.

[Brocode]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is correct.

Also the reason why people thought it was a myth because people would use Shuriken not Javelins in classic and their short range gave a very short period of time with bad internet to hit the sneak key.

Also because a monk with Sneak will only successfully sneak part of the time. Also if you are attempting to do this pull right near mobs that would normally aggro you, throwing the projectile will break your sneak and possibly aggro the mobs due to broken sneak unless you can reapply it before they aggro.

Posts from early velious dont correlate with those affirmations. But if i am wrong, please do show me when they changed it.

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Should it drop when you attack, or when damage hits?

should only drop when you are hit as its right now, they are wrong on these posts, if you research the links random answer from a post is

Loani
Monk
Posts: 35
(3/2/01 8:17 am)
I believe sneak pulling works. Here is the situation.

I am pulling the right courtyard in Karnor's Castle. It is a full spawn, but I am only interested in a skeleton because other mobs are green. I put sneak on, throw a javelin (range 205!) at the skellie from the courtyard archway, and back away (with sneak still on). The skellie follows the typical weird KC path, taking it past the courtyard door and other mobs.

I bring back a single pull.

Also rogues explaining it, they never say that sneak leaves once you throw, only hide

Zato
Head Safehouse Admin
(6/11/01 9:52 am)
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Sneak pulling can be done from in front too, but requires greater range. Throwing will not work from in front....you can be in front of the target, but NOT in front of the additional mobs you don't want to come. Throwing requires you to be too close to be out of aggro range when hide drops, even with sneak engaged. A nice bow with good range works well for this. If you are far enough away, with sneak engaged, you can fire at one, and the other won't come, even if facing you.

Their concern, OP, is about sneak mem blurring 100% of the time when you stand from FD in sneak or insta invis and mobs are not reaggroing, which i had experienced sometimes, but also didnt seem to work all the time. Its like invis ring of shadows or circlet once you put it on your safe, but usually once its off mob should still have you on some hatelist or clean if it was a succeful blur FD.

[Cecily]

Shouldn't break when you attack. Should when you're hit.

[Colgate]

iirc the technique for sneak pulling was to throw ranged weapon and immediately hit sneak since the act of hitting attack breaks sneak, not damage applying

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Colgate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

iirc the technique for sneak pulling was to throw ranged weapon and immediately hit sneak since the act of hitting attack breaks sneak, not damage applying

This is correct.

Also the reason why people thought it was a myth because people would use Shuriken not Javelins in classic and their short range gave a very short period of time with bad internet to hit the sneak key.

Also because a monk with Sneak will only successfully sneak part of the time. Also if you are attempting to do this pull right near mobs that would normally aggro you, throwing the projectile will break your sneak and possibly aggro the mobs due to broken sneak unless you can reapply it before they aggro.