Gilgalfindel another bad manner

[kaev]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For the TL;DR crowd: guy who monopolizes every low level mob when he's in the zone with you and trains noobies is complaining about people taking mobs from him.

You haven't a clue wtf you're talking about. Zander's a good guy, one of the few bards on this server whose corpse wouldn't make me smile.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by kaev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You haven't a clue wtf you're talking about. Zander's a good guy, one of the few bards on this server whose corpse wouldn't make me smile.

Bullshit. I've seen him train every Sarnak in LOIO across a group of 5 inside the fort, leaving them with nothing but corpses. His ethics disclaimer is just a farce. He'll do anything for the PP.

[Archie]

Too many cry-hards.

... Let me tell you back in my day...


Moral: Quill is not a camp

[kaev]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bullshit. I've seen him train every Sarnak in LOIO across a group of 5 inside the fort, leaving them with nothing but corpses. His ethics disclaimer is just a farce. He'll do anything for the PP.

OMGOMGOMG!! Some guy fucked up once, therefore everything he's ever done is part of a malicious plot and everything he's ever said is a lie!!

You sure you want to be judged that way yourself? Are you truly that confident in your personal perfection? Seems to me that anonymous forum sniping is a lot shittier than one inadvertent training incident.

Zander's a good guy. If something he does causes you problems in-game take it up with him in-game.

[zanderklocke]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bullshit. I've seen him train every Sarnak in LOIO across a group of 5 inside the fort, leaving them with nothing but corpses. His ethics disclaimer is just a farce. He'll do anything for the PP.

I'd be happy to reimburse anyone for trouble I might have caused that I'm not aware of. If you know who the people are and can have them message me on forums, I'll make sure to log in and reimburse them.

[eisley]

Originally Posted by zanderklocke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I used to sell cloaks for people, but realized that was more trouble than it was worth due to people sniping Quillmane.

One time, I spent like 40 minutes and couldn't find Quillmane, which was pretty odd. Usually, I'd see him every 15 to 20 minutes after killing placeholder triggers. I'm running around the zone, and I finally find a level 21 ranger bow kiting Quillmane around. I let him know I've been killing placeholders and running the zone to track him, but the ranger just responds with "FTE" as a response. He then spends 20 minutes killing the mob since he has to snare Quillmane, fire the bow, and then run and sit to regen hp he loses when Quillmane catches him. I asked if he would leave future Quillmanes alone, and he responds, "No, I will track and FTE Quillmane if I see him pop onto my track." I indicate that I will stop killing placeholders; he responds, "I don't care, I'm in South Karana to level."

This other time, I was going to help a warrior in Forceful Entry get a cloak...probably like 2 years ago, and some people in a defunct-guild (who no longer play) screwed with me and the guy in Forceful Entry. The FE guy said he had someone watching the hermit hut spawn point, but that person was going to leave soon. Sure enough, I head to the spawn point and someone from defunct guild is covering the spawn point. I ask the guy at the hermit hut if he is helping the Forceful Entry warrior; he does not respond. I figure he must be afk, so I run to the next spawn point while the warrior is killing placeholders. At this spawn point is another defunct-guild person I didn't know was there, and similarly he doesn't respond to any tells. I run to the final spawn location and there's a third defunct-guild member. This guy responds and indicates he doesn't know anything about the Forceful Entry warrior, but he's there to watch the spawn point for the guy at the hermit hut, who needs a cloak. I guess these three people swindled the warrior and convinced him to kill placeholders while they reaped the fruits of his labor. ...This was the tipping point that made me stop doing the camp and the beginning of my negative impression of the P99 community.

If you sniped a Quillmane from someone you know was actively working to spawn Quillmane, especially if you used my guide, fuck all y'all.

Quillmane is truly the bastion of the dregs of the community, unfortunately. I've sold/given away many cloaks as well, over fifty by now, and so I've gotten my fill of the general scenario, and this post sums up my feelings as well.

One example, there was a 60 wizard from Doljo who used to log in specifically when I was in SK farming cloaks. As in they would /who all me, wait for me to be there, then log in and try to steal it. This occurred on like five separate days. I would have one person on each spawn point, and me killing triggers, and he'd sit himself and a buddy or two right on top of the spawn points and flat KS quill when she popped. Later he evolved into aggroing every mob in SK and kiting them around, presumably assuming he was blocking me from spawning it. One time he had a massive train of every animal in SK on him, he ran up to a 80% quillmane, nuked it, killstole it, it had a cloak and he sat on the corpse - I guess waiting for his friend to arrive to loot it - and while sitting on the corpse, the train of greens on him slowly whittled away until he died and we got the cloak. A level 60 wizard.

The sad thing, had he just asked me on day 1, I would have gotten him a cloak no problem. Instead he wasted days and got nothing. This is just one example too, I've really learned that trolls are literally part of the experience farming Quillmane, sadly. I've had to explain the dreaded "FTE" to groupmates and what it means, and see the confused reactions, as if they can't believe that the rule seemingly exists to protect the trolls in this particular case.

Me, I mostly just find it humorous. I try to avoid that zone when anyone even thinks they're "camping Quillmane" even if they're clueless. But it's a great place to get a taste of why some people speak of this games' community the way they do.

[fastboy21]

the problem with applying the regular rules to the Quillmane camp mechanics is that it is fairly unique. The most comparable issue is the AC in SRO...and you see the exact same (jerky) behavior there as with Quillmane hunting.

by the rules it would seem to me that the person sitting at the spawn point has claim to the camp, whether they are actively attempting to spawn him or not. Whether this is fair or not is really something for GMs to rule on (I haven't seen a specific Quillmane camp post by a GM).

in a way, if a grp of five is trying to spawn and get cloaks (1 killing and 4 sitting on the spawn points) then it is more or less 4 separate camps. Just because folks are cooperating together and sharing the spoils doesn't change the rules. If you come with 3 people, there is nothing explicitly wrong that I can find with some random person (out of your grp) setting up camp on one of the vacant spawn points.

be prepared to be very frustrated with this camp (by its nature it is frustrating even without running into jerks) if you do anything other than go with a full team. i attempted the camp solo several times, always going at very off hours, with my bard (speed/track). I've gotten Quillmane to spawn many times only to have him sniped from someone else while I was finding him. Its just easier to buy a 10k service, or bring your own friends, to hunt it.

people are consistently jerky there. i'm convinced that while i was playing there was a druid "solo'ing" near one of the spawn points specifically in the hopes of eventually seeing a Quillmane spawn within his nuke range. It is just one of the costs of trying to do Quillmane. Expect to have him killed while you are spawning him by other people; expect to kill him without the cloak dropping; expect to see some folks link in /ooc the cloak from the Quillmane (that you spawned) that they just looted. Its just part of the camp.

[Seltius]

I swear a few years ago both Quill and AC in Sro were considered camps or at least people respected each other more. I remember camping both camps and never having a problem. We had guildies out in SK for hours on the spawn points and would just cycle through getting everyone cloaks. Good time to be had by all then.

Has Ragefire gone to FTE also? I know the mechanics are slightly different but how does triggering 2 and turning in to trigger another really differ?(I know there is a massive time sink in the cleric epic but this is just for example purposes not logistics)

[Darkatar]

Unbiased log of the events in OOC.

[Mon Apr 27 14:16:18 ] Mirgan says out of character, 'mage, stop stole quillmane'
[Mon Apr 27 14:16:21 ] Mirgan says out of character, 'ty'
[Mon Apr 27 14:17:02 ] Mirgan says out of character, 'or i'm gonna petition it'
[Mon Apr 27 14:17:13 ] You say out of character, 'Sadly, quillmane is FTE'
[Mon Apr 27 14:17:29 ] Dodgethis says out of character, 'gilgalfindel stole quillmane'
[Mon Apr 27 14:17:38 ] Kataphroneo says out of character, 'the more things change....'
[Mon Apr 27 14:17:41 ] Grimfrost says out of character, 'another day in SK, another Quillmane drama'
[Mon Apr 27 14:17:53 ] Dodgethis says out of character, 'ppl is fuking retard thats all'
[Mon Apr 27 14:18:09 ] Mirgan says out of character, 'he says NO, he's a liar'
[Mon Apr 27 14:18:24 ] Kataphroneo says out of character, 'ppl KS for the same reason they drive oversied pickups or sports cars to compensate'
[Mon Apr 27 14:18:52 ] Dodgethis says out of character, 'we are 3 ppl camping it, he is running arround trying to steal, i told him it was camped and he steal it'
[Mon Apr 27 14:19:01 ] You say out of character, 'Don't hate the player, hate the people that allow the bullshit (staff)'
[Mon Apr 27 14:19:03 ] Kataphroneo says out of character, 'for the "little" joke God played on them between the legs'
[Mon Apr 27 14:19:04 ] Gilgalfindel says out of character, 'bah i been huntin lion'
[Mon Apr 27 14:19:23 ] Dodgethis says out of character, 'you are trying to steal it because you are running arround the camp'
[Mon Apr 27 14:19:55 ] Gilgalfindel says out of character, 'i been hanging around near hermit hut and near aviak village'
[Mon Apr 27 14:20:04 ] Gilgalfindel says out of character, 'also near paw'
[Mon Apr 27 14:20:08 ] Dodgethis says out of character, 'how can u be that asshole? you could have say and we would help you in other time, but no you have to steal it. np. you will need help im sure of it. and dont remove roleplay because i will speak with your guild be sure'
[Mon Apr 27 14:21:24 ] Gilgalfindel says out of character, 'want to buy some cat pelts? have 4lq and 2mq'
[Mon Apr 27 14:21:38 ] Gilgalfindel says out of character, 'my 3 hq are not for sale that's why i'm running around here'
[Mon Apr 27 14:21:49 ] Kataphroneo says out of character, 'startig to rem why I been playing LOTRO for past 5 years'
[Mon Apr 27 14:22:53 ] Kataphroneo says out of character, 'there are tiny peckers that compensate by acting out there to, but they don't casue a big stir'
[Mon Apr 27 14:28:32 ] Gilgalfindel says out of character, 'he stole my lioness lol'

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Darkatar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Unbiased log of the events in OOC.

[Mon Apr 27 14:16:18 ] Mirgan says out of character, 'mage, stop stole quillmane'
[Mon Apr 27 14:16:21 ] Mirgan says out of character, 'ty'
[Mon Apr 27 14:17:02 ] Mirgan says out of character, 'or i'm gonna petition it'
[Mon Apr 27 14:17:13 ] You say out of character, 'Sadly, quillmane is FTE'
[Mon Apr 27 14:17:29 ] Dodgethis says out of character, 'gilgalfindel stole quillmane'
[Mon Apr 27 14:17:38 ] Kataphroneo says out of character, 'the more things change....'
[Mon Apr 27 14:17:41 ] Grimfrost says out of character, 'another day in SK, another Quillmane drama'
[Mon Apr 27 14:17:53 ] Dodgethis says out of character, 'ppl is fuking retard thats all'
[Mon Apr 27 14:18:09 ] Mirgan says out of character, 'he says NO, he's a liar'
[Mon Apr 27 14:18:24 ] Kataphroneo says out of character, 'ppl KS for the same reason they drive oversied pickups or sports cars to compensate'
[Mon Apr 27 14:18:52 ] Dodgethis says out of character, 'we are 3 ppl camping it, he is running arround trying to steal, i told him it was camped and he steal it'
[Mon Apr 27 14:19:01 ] You say out of character, 'Don't hate the player, hate the people that allow the bullshit (staff)'
[Mon Apr 27 14:19:03 ] Kataphroneo says out of character, 'for the "little" joke God played on them between the legs'
[Mon Apr 27 14:19:04 ] Gilgalfindel says out of character, 'bah i been huntin lion'
[Mon Apr 27 14:19:23 ] Dodgethis says out of character, 'you are trying to steal it because you are running arround the camp'
[Mon Apr 27 14:19:55 ] Gilgalfindel says out of character, 'i been hanging around near hermit hut and near aviak village'
[Mon Apr 27 14:20:04 ] Gilgalfindel says out of character, 'also near paw'
[Mon Apr 27 14:20:08 ] Dodgethis says out of character, 'how can u be that asshole? you could have say and we would help you in other time, but no you have to steal it. np. you will need help im sure of it. and dont remove roleplay because i will speak with your guild be sure'
[Mon Apr 27 14:21:24 ] Gilgalfindel says out of character, 'want to buy some cat pelts? have 4lq and 2mq'
[Mon Apr 27 14:21:38 ] Gilgalfindel says out of character, 'my 3 hq are not for sale that's why i'm running around here'
[Mon Apr 27 14:21:49 ] Kataphroneo says out of character, 'startig to rem why I been playing LOTRO for past 5 years'
[Mon Apr 27 14:22:53 ] Kataphroneo says out of character, 'there are tiny peckers that compensate by acting out there to, but they don't casue a big stir'
[Mon Apr 27 14:28:32 ] Gilgalfindel says out of character, 'he stole my lioness lol'

This is part of the journey that filters out the good people and either turns the good ones into shitty ones (monkey see, monkey do) or makes them play something/somewhere else. By 60 you're either someone who isn't immersed or someone who's going to lawyerquest for victory.

Maybe blue needs more rules? Seems like there's still loopholes?