Velzira Petition Clarification

[kildone]

Originally Posted by Grizzler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not to stir the pot but, I can read this perfectly well..

That's cool. Some people obviously can not. Hence the reason for my post.

[kildone]

Let me restate another way

My petition is a question of kill stealing based on FTE which is the opposite of a camp.
Sirken posted a report showing I was FTE.
Velzira was banned.

In what way does this demonstrate a rule that Hadden is a camp mob rather than FTE?

[Widan]

http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=132299

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That being said, you can absolutely "camp" mobs, and you cannot steal another players 'camp'. In general, if the placeholder or placeholders for a spawn are being killed, that 'camp' can be considered held by the player doing the killing so long as they are keeping the placeholders cleared. You do not necessarily need to be at the spawn point to call it 'claimed' while it is uncontested, however, if someone else wishes to contest the 'camp' you do need to return to the 'camp' and maintain a presence at or very near the spawn(s) in order to hold it. It should also be noted that if you camp out or leave the zone, you have forfeited a camp. You cannot hold multiple 'camps' if another group wishes to contest one that you are holding. The player holding multiple 'camps' retains the right to choose which 'camp' to give up.

Here's a post about static mobs
http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...2&postcount=13

Originally Posted by Derubael

That being said, you can camp pretty much anything on P99 as long as it's a static spawn.

Here's a post about non static mobs
http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...58&postcount=5

Originally Posted by Ambrotos

If it moves in a open zone it's a fair game and not a camp.

Also there was this thread called Camps, Defined which got deleted I guess because they didn't want to have to define every camp in the game. They should probably bring something like this back though, because it clears up a lot of dumb rules lawyering.

http://web.archive.org/web/201309210...ead.php?t=2653

Originally Posted by Xzerion

2. Just because you know the timer a mob's spawn does NOT mean you are entitled to the camp. Examples include Ishva mal, Estrella, and Undertow. I have seen too many threads about ishva mal in particular where there is a person there at the camp and someone comes and either KS's the spawn or charms the mob to bring it somewhere else etc claiming it was theirs due to it being on timer. If you are trying to timer a spawn and you arrive and someone else is there, too bad, you should have been there earlier.

In all of this no one ever mentions FTE one time on static mobs. It is beyond me why you would think FTE would give you claim to any static mob in the game.

[Genedin]

I honestly don't think anyone cares or knows who you are man. Would just keep exping and making pals not worrying about airing of grievances around the r99 festivus pole you know?

[kildone]

Originally Posted by Genedin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I honestly don't think anyone cares or knows who you are man. Would just keep exping and making pals not worrying about airing of grievances around the r99 festivus pole you know?

I posted because sirken posted my name and because I felt bad if someone got banned and they did not deserve it

I would have posted on velziras thread but I thought it was against the rules to publicly talk about petitions and gm rulings. Sirken said I could post if I wanted to.

My hope is that if the ban is unfair it will be removed.

For those who don't care, they don't have to read or post.

[Veltira]

Originally Posted by kildone [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I posted because sirken posted my name and because I felt bad if someone got banned and they did not deserve it

I would have posted on velziras thread but I thought it was against the rules to publicly talk about petitions and gm rulings. Sirken said I could post if I wanted to.

My hope is that if the ban is unfair it will be removed.

For those who don't care, they don't have to read or post.

Dude... I'm rich enough that a 800pp earring is not a big deal to me. If you needed it that badly, or felt like I was so unjust in my treatment with you, why didn't you send me a message? Why didn't you contact me and hash it out? I had no intention of KS'ing you. I have no idea who you even are. You turned this into some vendetta and petition-fished me into a ban. I'm a nice person, I'm incredibly generous for a red player because early on in my time on red i was taken under wing and helped. This server needs more of that. Contacting Gm's over this stuff to get someone banned is beyond me man, this was a minor incident but because you got upset i'm now banned for a week. Thanks friend.

If this earring is that important to you I will GIVE you one the second i'm unbanned and I'll even post a screenshot of me doing it here in this thread for proof. I don't care about your loot, or your drama, I want to get back to playing the game I love.

[kildone]

Originally Posted by Veltira [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dude... I'm rich enough that a 800pp earring is not a big deal to me. If you needed it that badly, or felt like I was so unjust in my treatment with you, why didn't you send me a message? Why didn't you contact me and hash it out? I had no intention of KS'ing you. I have no idea who you even are. You turned this into some vendetta and petition-fished me into a ban. I'm a nice person, I'm incredibly generous for a red player because early on in my time on red i was taken under wing and helped. This server needs more of that. Contacting Gm's over this stuff to get someone banned is beyond me man, this was a minor incident but because you got upset i'm now banned for a week. Thanks friend.

If this earring is that important to you I will GIVE you one the second i'm unbanned and I'll even post a screenshot of me doing it here in this thread for proof. I don't care about your loot, or your drama, I want to get back to playing the game I love.

I posted in the petition forum in the spirit of 'hey as I understand the rules multiple people have stolen a kill am I right or wrong?' You just happened to be in the example.

If proven right, in the future, I would send a tell to people knowing I was right then maybe petition in the spirit this person should be punished and maybe I should get the loot.

It still seems to me that I was right based on GM actions and the report that based your ban on me being FTE and that is the opposite of being at camp first.
I have asked in OOC about the rules and have gotten for answer:

There are no rules
Static mobs are camps
Go play blue
Stfu
And worse

I have had conversations with some players and had quite toxic feedback. I have learned to keep my mouth shut. Someone in your guild harassed me in shout about my guild and they would let anybody but curse have the kill. I have had guild encounters with yours regarding other mobs where talking did not seem a viable solution. So I did not approach you first I judged you by your actions which was that whether you were there first or not you would try to take the kill. I felt I had exhausted the communication route when it comes to dealing with your guild members.

If I want to question the staff in the only way I know how that is between the staff and I and no business if anyone else. They could have told me I was wasting their time and take a different route to answer my question.

If they decide to ban you based on my question oriented petition then that is between the staff and yourself and none of my business.

Please note that I did post this thread because I feel bad if you were banned in error and to hopefully get further clarification on the rules.

I could have just kept my mouth shut and petitioned the next guy who takes a mob when I am first to engage.

To all those others who have posted their opinions, I appreciate it, but until a staff member posts then they are just that, opinions. A staff member can either
Tell me or post here that my petition was badly worded and I am actually in the wrong
Clarify in exact terms the PnP policy on kill stealing - I guess I'm stupid if I am the only one confused
Revoke PnP
Or other options I can't think of

Until then I am left with no other alternative than to believe that I was correct in my interpretation and followed the correct course of action.

[Veltira]

Originally Posted by kildone [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If they decide to ban you based on my question oriented petition then that is between the staff and yourself and none of my business.

Which is why you made this thread, in a public place. I tried to find a middle ground with you here, i even offered you the item back. As for people hurting your feelings in /shout how do i have any control over that? You've done a great job of both screwing me over and making a bad reputation for yourself with this. If you truly wanted clarification you would have come to the forums and used the petition there; instead you have some personal problem with me. What sucks the most is that you truly think you are right and that i'm some bitch who deserved banning. Instead you helped drive a good player from your ranks over a 800pp earring. Sad man.

[kildone]

Thank you Wildan that clears up the term static for me. It seems simple when said static vs moving rather than static as is on a timer vs random with ph.

The paragraph you highlight mentions killing placeholders being a camp as opposed to having a mob spawn every time. That combined with the term "can not kill while a mob is engaged or actively pursuing a player" is what caused the confusion.

It seems more clear now. I still don't understand why the ruling seems to have been based on a report showing I was first to engage. Still don't understand how Velzira had a conversation in a petition but it was closed without him being unbanned.

I will take this information and go back to what I was originally doing for this type of mob. Play guitar, hand out buffs to those who ask and wait for someone to either kill me or respect my right to the camp.

[Rednaros]

Jesus go back to fucking blue with this petitionquest