Let's talk about natural progression here.

[maskedmelon]

The population has been growing steadily over the past two years or so actually. As for having fun and not looking to debate economics, you are the one who interrupted our peaceful discussions of mmo food service seems, RMT, classic mechanics and keyboard macros with your cries for the fist of authority (not that it is all that uncommon) to aid you in purging our wavering community of the scourge of greed lest it consume us all and alienate the true of heart like you.

I was just pointing out the hypocrisy of calling for an end to 'greed' so that you can get something while taking from others when nobody loses under the current system. That's not greedy? If not, it is still malignant in one form or another. I don't think that is your intent though after having talked with you and hope you find time to think it over.

I think we've a fine community and we all get frustrated at one point or another, but taking from others is not the solution. Rest well, work hard and you will be happy ^^

[Tenlaar]

Originally Posted by FadedVision [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you could not auction MQ's on live or you would be banned, you could not auc PLing on live or you would be banned

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

nobody loses under the current system.

At least you're both saying things that aren't true!

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Tenlaar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

At least you're both saying things that aren't true!

Don't stop there! Elaborate ^^ Who cannot obtain an epic under the current system? Hmmm?

[Tenlaar]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't stop there! Elaborate ^^ Who cannot obtain an epic under the current system? Hmmm?

People who are unwilling to step into the neck deep steaming pile that is the P99 raid scene, obviously.

[FadedVision]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was just pointing out the hypocrisy of calling for an end to 'greed' so that you can get something while taking from others when nobody loses under the current system. That's not greedy? If not, it is still malignant in one form or another. I don't think that is your intent though after having talked with you and hope you find time to think it over. ^^

I really am enjoying the fact that you see an equal footing on someone getting their epic fairly vs. someone getting an epic handed to them at level 1 for plat. It is greedy to seek an epic through natural progression because it takes 25k away from someone who can't start the game naturally. Perhaps there are different levels of greed. I am greedy and a MQ is gluttonous and as a matter of a fact.... it actually stops people from naturally progressing. I believe that it is actually easier to get 25k and buy an epic than it is to do the epic quest. If you believe that is working as intended then you need to take off the rose colored glasses.

We have a difference of opinion and it shows a separation of philosophy between you and I. I do not see an equivalency in the slightest bit.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by FadedVision [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We have a difference of opinion and it shows a separation of philosophy between you and I. I do not see an equivalency in the slightest bit.

We may, but that should not prevent us from reaching agreement. That is after all the spirit of debate and I would be willing to abandon my views if you substantiated yours. Thus far you have labeled things and given your opinion of what should be, but have not said why. If you don't have a reason that is fine too; just don't expect to persuade many :/

The simple case for MQ is this:
1. Affords access to epics to all players given comparable investment
2. Multiple players benefit directly
3. Affords characters alternative sources of revenue, easing other camp congestion.

[Paleman]

Originally Posted by FadedVision [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am not going to argue free market solutions in an area that should not be argued. This is a game to have fun, not a dissertation on capitalism in the world. I know you won't understand that, you will probably diagnose my idea of "fun" and weather or not it impedes others "fun" but I have done this dance before and I don't care to continue this circle jerk.

My last point is this, you could not auction MQ's on live or you would be banned, you could not auc PLing on live or you would be banned, you did not have cell phones because the cell phone did not exist during Kunark(for 90% of people), and on my server we did not farm the dragons w/ 52s. Perhaps you did on your server. Every server was different. There is a gluttony of riches on this server and those who run the mobs/spawns are basically winning the argument and tearing down/shouting down different opinions. That is probably why this EQ is full of greedy people, all the normal people left.

its a fuckin game bro. Everyone wants to win. This game has contested mobs and other things that people race to get. Just like any game, you, and others compete to win and get the prize.

No one disagrees with your ideas of what fun is to you. Its just a fact that p99 isnt your idea of fun. If the majority wanted what you wanted then obviously shit would be different. Nearly all of this stuff existed. MQs always existed, and I never remember anyone getting banned for it. I Pled for plat all the time on live and never got banned. Hell at age 16 i scammed someone for 50k and never got banned. The GMs here are way harder on players here than on live for sure. As for batphones, those may have not existed but I sure as hell had a beeper during kunark/velious to do NtoV and other contested places. So the ability to do the same existed.

EQ is full of people, some even keeled, some are trying to game the system, some are tying to just irritate others. Its an existential representation of real life but with fantasy elements, mostly because it was created by people who existed in real life because last I checked there is no dimensional portal to a fantasy world on earth. If there was earth would be rather vacant.

even though I agree that the state of blue is sad, your arguments suck man. Its just a butthurt yell because you arent part of what you would do if you were at the level of others.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by FadedVision [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My last point is this, you could not auction MQ's on live or you would be banned, you could not auc PLing on live or you would be banned, you did not have cell phones because the cell phone did not exist during Kunark(for 90% of people), and on my server we did not farm the dragons w/ 52s. Perhaps you did on your server. Every server was different. There is a gluttony of riches on this server and those who run the mobs/spawns are basically winning the argument and tearing down/shouting down different opinions. That is probably why this EQ is full of greedy people, all the normal people left.

Couldn't auction MQ and PL on live? People sold MQs and PL all the time without getting banned.

[Thatt]

Always amuses me how people will argue about what's wrong and what's right when neither are relevant on P99. The only thing relevant is what's classic. MQ is horse shit in my opinion, but my opinion doesn't matter any more than yours.. mq is classic.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Thatt [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Always amuses me how people will argue about what's wrong and what's right when neither are relevant on P99. The only thing relevant is what's classic. ...., but my opinion doesn't matter any more than yours.. mq is classic.

This I agree with ^^