Public Service Announcement : PvP on a PvP Server IS NOT Griefing

[Danien]

Originally Posted by Baugi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do people have meaningful fights over PVE content closer to 60? Coming from Eve the PVP here seems pointless, and compared to WoW it's much less fluid due to ooc recovery. I guess it's still a step up from GM enforced camps and wait-lists - seriously wtf?

The only PVP I've seen is the aforementioned fungii, which certainly qualifies as griefing if not also PVP.

Not really. Sometimes people rally to gank a group in seb/hs but not because they actually want to take over their camp. Most pvp tend to occur around kc/dl zoneline but it's not over any content.

Though I have to say I haven't really played in the past year but I can't imagine much has changed.

[Drakaris]

Originally Posted by Baugi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do people have meaningful fights over PVE content closer to 60? Coming from Eve the PVP here seems pointless, and compared to WoW it's much less fluid due to ooc recovery. I guess it's still a step up from GM enforced camps and wait-lists - seriously wtf?

The only PVP I've seen is the aforementioned fungii, which certainly qualifies as griefing if not also PVP.

At higher levels its more of a skirmish that breaks out in certain PVP hot spots.

You can certainly take over camps but it requires a degree of patience, as most people will log their character out in between respawns. An example is the EoE camp in Droga.

PVP also happens over the fabled Sea Fury Cash Cows in OOT.

MASS PVP over raid objectives have not really happened in a while. These were more prevalent due to a shift in paradigm or guild power. Think of it as voting, when a president has been involved in a scandal, they will put another leader up for election. Unfortunately Azrael have not elected a new leader and are a largely unpopular guild for that reason.

[PVP Cleric]

Originally Posted by Drakaris [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

MASS PVP over raid objectives have not really happened in a while.

Really?

Then forgive my newbness, but wtf is everyone doing here?

[Tassador]

Originally Posted by PVP Cleric [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Really?

Then forgive my newbness, but wtf is everyone doing here?

Farming bis toons and alts then de-leveling to 30's to farm mistmoore rags. Why what you doing here?

[Bodybagger]

Originally Posted by Tassador [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Farming bis toons and alts then de-leveling to 30's to farm mistmoore rags. Why what you doing here?

Can't fight level 60's, confirmed will still get ass kicked by lvl 30's willing to fight back, regardless of your fungi.

<3 fungi twinks. Love to humble them and rub their face in the dirt when you show them how shitty they truly re by killing them... with no fungi, or good gear. Honestly, I'm going to be farming and handing out Nathsar Greatswords and other solid performing low lvl weapons just to rewards newbs willing to fight back against twinks.

Honestly, your biggest threat before lvl 40, pvp wise, is fungi twink melee characters. And the best defense against them is a strong offense. You don't need actual pvp gear to fight them, resists don't matter, and they usually have crap resist themselves. Bakingsoda eats fire nukes like nobody's business. What they have is strong offense with twink weaps and mad hp regen.

Regardless of all of that though, agree with OP 100%. Even if a twink kills you and moves on that isn't griefing. Griefing is twinks logging in once an hour to full clear 6-12 people form an XP zone, demand they call LnS, and not leave the zone until everyone has fled or logged off. That's pointless... come in, giv ehtem a taste of PVP, and leave. LnS from what? you aren't there to xp or take a camp therefore you can't demand LnS be called by them. All PVP does not constitue LnS. All PVP is not griefing.

It's ironic though people call me a griefer or PK'er when I am a newb in self looted gear and rags with not very many kills to my name. It's a PVP server.. I came to fight other players. If you don't like a fair fight at lvl 30, WTF do you think you're going to do when you XP up to 50 and have to face raid geared guys that roll 3-6+ deep at all times for their PVP action lol.... pointless to level up here if you don't like PVP


tl:dr Don't level on a PVP server if you don't want to PVP. Don't expect not to be killed. Be willing to kill, or you will die.

And if you don't like to PVP, according to Holocaust you can just roll a bard and swarm kite and no one can stun/snare/root you because that's griefing, so Bards get free pass to lvl 60 with no PVP interruption, according to <Holocaust>

[Feanol]

You are presented with two options before you click "Join Server."

1: Project 1999
2: Project 1999 Red

Making the second choice implies certain risks.

Any whining past that point shall be reciprocated with my eyes making a 180 degree arc.

Honestly OP, what did these people think was going to happen? It's beyond me.

[Tassador]

Originally Posted by Bodybagger [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can't fight level 60's, confirmed will still get ass kicked by lvl 30's willing to fight back, regardless of your fungi.

<3 fungi twinks. Love to humble them and rub their face in the dirt when you show them how shitty they truly re by killing them... with no fungi, or good gear. Honestly, I'm going to be farming and handing out Nathsar Greatswords and other solid performing low lvl weapons just to rewards newbs willing to fight back against twinks.

Honestly, your biggest threat before lvl 40, pvp wise, is fungi twink melee characters. And the best defense against them is a strong offense. You don't need actual pvp gear to fight them, resists don't matter, and they usually have crap resist themselves. Bakingsoda eats fire nukes like nobody's business. What they have is strong offense with twink weaps and mad hp regen.

Regardless of all of that though, agree with OP 100%. Even if a twink kills you and moves on that isn't griefing. Griefing is twinks logging in once an hour to full clear 6-12 people form an XP zone, demand they call LnS, and not leave the zone until everyone has fled or logged off. That's pointless... come in, giv ehtem a taste of PVP, and leave. LnS from what? you aren't there to xp or take a camp therefore you can't demand LnS be called by them. All PVP does not constitue LnS. All PVP is not griefing.

It's ironic though people call me a griefer or PK'er when I am a newb in self looted gear and rags with not very many kills to my name. It's a PVP server.. I came to fight other players. If you don't like a fair fight at lvl 30, WTF do you think you're going to do when you XP up to 50 and have to face raid geared guys that roll 3-6+ deep at all times for their PVP action lol.... pointless to level up here if you don't like PVP


tl:dr Don't level on a PVP server if you don't want to PVP. Don't expect not to be killed. Be willing to kill, or you will die.

And if you don't like to PVP, according to Holocaust you can just roll a bard and swarm kite and no one can stun/snare/root you because that's griefing, so Bards get free pass to lvl 60 with no PVP interruption, according to <Holocaust>

Sir you are highly vested.

Just saying.

[Fame]

Baugi, after lvl 40 or so it changes a bit, you get to fight other grps for camps on occassion, those fungi twinks are still pretty powerful but in this malo/tash era they are not nearly the threat they used to be.

Sometimes if you're really lucky you might get a legit camp fight in MM but it's rare and any YT goin of there or in lfay will summon the knights templar. It's a mix bag, somedays in Suave we run em out, sometimes they get us. Just gotta roll with it.

There is something to be said about server/eq knowledge though. If you know how to fish, you'll catch em. I get a lot of tells on Romeo from other wizards asking how I get so many kills, it's pretty simple, you just have to know what the players in your range are likely to do. Know the hotspots and put in the time, teach a man to fish ect. ect.

[Tassador]

have you ever tried Cuban coffee? Better than energy drinks.

[Drakaris]

Originally Posted by Tassador [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

have you ever tried Cuban coffee? Better than energy drinks.

I'm chugging down a red bull right now!

I feel like a hardass riding my Suzuki Hayabusa to work, going for runs daily and slamming down energy drinks!

My resting heart rate is at athletic levels, perfect blood pressure, healthy blood glucose levels... I'm glad your thinking about me IRL every time I make a post!