The plight of the Kagatob

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There are certainly varying definitions of patriarchy, so it's not surprising yours doesn't line up with that of feminist theory - that's fine. Forget the word patriarchy, what I mean is a society that unquestionably favors men over women. I'd certainly say this is still true of ours, as socially progressive as we've become and aspire to be. We do live in a fair democracy now - it took us until 1920 before women got the vote, but here we are, and nonetheless the disparity between men and women still persists.

The reason for this, as Fran Lebowitz often points out, has more to do with our biology than our societal constraints. Men produce testosterone; a huge biological advantage. Women produce children and innately care for them, and can only put off doing so at the suppression of their own nature; a huge biological disadvantage. Not to mention all the aspects of bearing and giving birth to children that all but dispel everything that makes it such a beautiful thing; the hardships of pregnancy, the countless hospital bills, maternity leave, pharmaceutical costs, various complications, death.

And as any woman would know, that paragraph alone is a pathetic attempt to account for all the things that women have to put up with that men simply do not, whether societal or biological. What I mean to say is that it's not necessarily our fault that it's this way, but as a member of the male species I'd argue that we're not helping the situation enough, and the few of us that are doing anything to help are too few and too timid in confronting and educating our own kind.

So even though I deny the premise under which you assume western society is not patriarchal, I think you can see where I'm going when we're talking about certain rights that men might have that women do not.

I don't disagree with anything said here, though I'd like to point out that anything involving pregnancy in any natural setting (note natural is not to be confused with "traditional") there would be two parents caring for a child, that is how biology as well as society is set up. I'll admit that there's a fair amount of grey area around the subject, however the fact of the matter remains that any issues a female that was giving birth would face would be shared between both partners with the male picking up the slack from the female who is recovering/taking care of the young.

In that way women are in fact, not equal to men. Regardless that point is largely moot as most women get free birth control as well as access to more specialists than men get via insurance. They have a tangible societal advantage to help them cope with a biological disadvantage.

I say this as a child of a single mother. Her life wasn't hard because of anything rooted in society, her life was hard because she didn't have anyone to share any of life's burdens with her.

[Troubled]

Originally Posted by Sidelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Shit. I forget that sometimes there are actual children that post on the p99 forums. It's probably not a good idea if I explain my Magic Wand joke to you. Run along and ask your mom what it is and she can decide if it's age-appropriate.

http://www.amazon.com/VIBRATEX-HV-26.../dp/B00005M1WE

"non phallic appearance" as one of its endorsements, lol.

[katrik]

Originally Posted by Sidelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As always, your extra chromosome is glaringly obvious in your post.

P.S. A Magic Wand is not a dildo. Lol

True. I love mine..! 100$ well spent..!

[harnold]

feminism today is nothing but a bunch of loudmouthed men hating lesbians complaining about any little thing they can think of

[radditsu]

Sidelle PM me abour your vibrator please


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[Sidelle]

Originally Posted by Troubled [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

http://www.amazon.com/VIBRATEX-HV-26.../dp/B00005M1WE

"non phallic appearance" as one of its endorsements, lol.

LOL

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q0m0ycTS_H8

[Jontheripper]

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There are certainly varying definitions of patriarchy, so it's not surprising yours doesn't line up with that of feminist theory - that's fine. Forget the word patriarchy, what I mean is a society that unquestionably favors men over women. I'd certainly say this is still true of ours, as socially progressive as we've become and aspire to be. We do live in a fair democracy now - it took us until 1920 before women got the vote, but here we are, and nonetheless the disparity between men and women still persists.

The reason for this, as Fran Lebowitz often points out, has more to do with our biology than our societal constraints. Men produce testosterone; a huge biological advantage. Women produce children and innately care for them, and can only put off doing so at the suppression of their own nature; a huge biological disadvantage. Not to mention all the aspects of bearing and giving birth to children that all but dispel everything that makes it such a beautiful thing; the hardships of pregnancy, the countless hospital bills, maternity leave, pharmaceutical costs, various complications, death.

And as any woman would know, that paragraph alone is a pathetic attempt to account for all the things that women have to put up with that men simply do not, whether societal or biological. What I mean to say is that it's not necessarily our fault that it's this way, but as a member of the male species I'd argue that we're not helping the situation enough, and the few of us that are doing anything to help are too few and too timid in confronting and educating our own kind.

So even though I deny the premise under which you assume western society is not patriarchal, I think you can see where I'm going when we're talking about certain rights that men might have that women do not.

You're a moron.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is what a real, intelligent, respectable feminist looks like.

No, that's Egalitarinism. Feminism has been co-opted by puritanical fascists that have been changing laws and policies to suit their dogmatic agendas across including but not limited to: Academia, court, and entertainment.

2nd wave feminism achieved its goals. 3rd wave feminism will not be satisfied until everyone with a Y chromosome is exiled from the planet. This is not an exaggeration.

Right Kagato, like I'm going to believe your word on the definition of feminism. That'd be like believing in MarcusD's definition of charm kiting [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Men produce testosterone; a huge biological advantage.

Women produce testosterone also. Ya dingus!

[Raev]

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti

Men produce testosterone; a huge biological advantage.

whoa, does this make the great paulg a male chauvinist?