The Best Tradeskill to Grandmaster Is ...

[August]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Celesital Essence is Luclin. But it isn't utilized in the recipe I linked.

The GOLDEN XXXX Idols do use Celestial Essence. Not the ones I linked though.

Yes that's right. The regular idols don't use a gold bar, a celestial essence, and use a different form of crystallized mana (enchanter spell).

From what I can gather the components would be:

High Quality Firing Sheet - http://wiki.project1999.com/High_Quality_Firing_Sheet
Iron Oxide - http://wiki.project1999.com/Iron_Oxide
Permafrost Crystals - http://wiki.project1999.com/Permafrost_Crystals
White Lead - http://wiki.project1999.com/White_Lead
Water Flask (duh)
Large Block of Magic Clay - http://wiki.project1999.com/Enchant_Clay
Idol Sketch - http://wiki.project1999.com/Idol_Sketch
Sculpting Tools - http://wiki.project1999.com/Sculpting_Tools
Vial of Clear Mana - http://wiki.project1999.com/Vial_of_Clear_Mana / http://wiki.project1999.com/Clarify_Mana
Imbued Gem - http://wiki.project1999.com/Imbue_Emerald

Everything appears to be in game, so pottery should be able to GM.

[Daldaen]

All those spells are in game.

I have the Imbue Emerald on my druid.

I have the Clarify Mana and Enchant Clay on my chanter.

It is just a matter of whether the combines are active currently.

July 2001 Patch

Repaired some class/deity combinations on two of the deity specific pottery Idols.

Proves they were in before July 2001.

MAYBE was this Velious patch though?

March 2001

There are a ton of new recipes for trade skill users out there. Check your books.

[Cecily]

Leveling pottery up on a rogue was miserable. Brewing to 248 on a rogue sucked pretty bad too. Fletching and Poison (Dex based) were pretty easy and I doubt Smithing (STR) will be very tough either. Druid WIS is overpowered and made getting 217 tailoring fun in comparison to those first two.

[Nuktari]

Killing innocents is a tradeskill, no?

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[Daldaen]

Alchemy, Research, Poison Making and Tinkering are all on their own.

It's just the main 7 that are able to grandmaster in.

People overemphasize the use of stats to increase skillups.... WAYYYYY too much. WIS/INT or STR or DEX will ONLY influence skill-up chance if you fail the combine (you're learning from your mistakes. You will do it better with higher stats).

However if you succeed the combine, if you have 50 in the stat or 255, your chance to skill up is identical. Most every Tradeskill has a pretty linear progression you are able to follow. JC is the best because every 2-3 points there is a new gem combine you can do. Meaning if you are always just 2-3 skill less than what the combine is trivial at, you will maintain a 95% chance of success on those combines. Meaning 95% of your combines your stay plays no role in determining a skillup.

The only time stats are very relevant is something like Brewing, or Pottery. Where you may be going from 188 skill to trying something that is 248 skill, leading to many fails. It isn't a huge money cost just a big time sink for those TSes.

[August]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Alchemy, Research, Poison Making and Tinkering are all on their own.

It's just the main 7 that are able to grandmaster in.

People overemphasize the use of stats to increase skillups.... WAYYYYY too much. WIS/INT or STR or DEX will ONLY influence skill-up chance if you fail the combine (you're learning from your mistakes. You will do it better with higher stats).

However if you succeed the combine, if you have 50 in the stat or 255, your chance to skill up is identical. Most every Tradeskill has a pretty linear progression you are able to follow. JC is the best because every 2-3 points there is a new gem combine you can do. Meaning if you are always just 2-3 skill less than what the combine is trivial at, you will maintain a 95% chance of success on those combines. Meaning 95% of your combines your stay plays no role in determining a skillup.

The only time stats are very relevant is something like Brewing, or Pottery. Where you may be going from 188 skill to trying something that is 248 skill, leading to many fails. It isn't a huge money cost just a big time sink for those TSes.

What is your source for this? This is directly contradictory to everything I have ever modeled.

=IF(SKILL_LEVEL-TRIVIAL>=0,0,((((STAT*10)/SKILL_DIFFICULTY)*(SUCCESS_RATE/100))+(((STAT*10/(2*SKILL_DIFFICULTY))*((100-SUCCESS_RATE)/100))))/1000*MIN(0.95,(200-SKILL_LEVEL)/200))

Where SUCCESS_RATE = MAX(5,MIN(SKILL_LEVEL-0.75*TRIVIAL+51.5,95))

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by August [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What is your source for this? This is directly contradictory to everything I have ever modeled.

=IF(SKILL_LEVEL-TRIVIAL>=0,0,((((STAT*10)/SKILL_DIFFICULTY)*(SUCCESS_RATE/100))+(((STAT*10/(2*SKILL_DIFFICULTY))*((100-SUCCESS_RATE)/100))))/1000*MIN(0.95,(200-SKILL_LEVEL)/200))

Where SUCCESS_RATE = MAX(5,MIN(SKILL_LEVEL-0.75*TRIVIAL+51.5,95))

The difficulty tier of the Tradeskill was some very early on EQ stuff. That was nuked some time like Velious-Luclin I believe.

That being said, I'm almost positive it was never implemented on this server. Because the exact equation was never really explained.

I'll see what I can do to dig up posts about it. But this is my experience having hit 250 in every skill before LoY and 300 eventually in every one on live.

Stats mattered a lot if you were doing combines way over your skill. If you were just doing something a few skills above it didn't matter.

Where did you dig that equation up from?

[August]

This recipe comes from EQTC and I have used it as a model for 5 years - I'd have to go back and look.

TS difficulty is DEFINITELY in place on this server. JC is a mod of 4 and it's very obvious compared to tailoring, blacksmith as far as successful skillups.

Chance to skillup is double on a success than on a failure, and is linearly dependent on how high your stat is. Furthermore, the stat is actually a modified stat (stat-15).


Based on how this works, you'd have double the chance of skilling up with 200 INT than 100 int depending on what recipe you're making.

The upside of that is that you want to make things that are extremely close to your trivial level, and you want as high of a modifier as you can get on your stats. If you're not over 200 you're throwing money down the drain.

Here's my spreadsheet where I modeled the entire JC line: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing


Here is one post talking about it from 2004: http://mboards.eqtraders.com/eq/show...killup-formula