Anyone here a Muslim? If so question for you...

[Misto]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The bible preaches death to rebellious teenagers (Deuteronomy 21:18-21) ... but I doubt you'll find a Christian pastor who's rounding up the town to stone Billy to death for partying too hard.

Point being: you can't (as illogically as this sounds) judge a faith based solely on its religious text(s).

I can, if they act on it.

Which they do.

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[loramin]

Originally Posted by Misto [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can, if they act on it.

Which they do.

So then you're judging them on their actions, not on their holy text, right? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

/ruleslawyer

[Bbobo_]

naw

if you wave a flag and claim a set
you better know what ur reppin

ur ignorance is not my problem unless u tell me im wrong because of ur opinion (which is what religion is, opinion)

put up a banner take what comes

saying you are ANY religion means "I have not thought critically enough about these issues" .. 100% i can assume that about anyone claiming to be religous.. either they wont or CANT think for themselves

[mgellan]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Point being: you can't (as illogically as this sounds) judge a faith based solely on its religious text(s).

Most sensible people cherry pick from their religious texts and ignore things that violate the secular moral principles that are codified in laws to avoid running afoul of the society they live in. So, despite the bat-shit crazy stuff in their books, they generally behave themselves UNLESS put in a situation where they can get away with it, whereupon they start acting in accordance with their book eg Saudi Arabia, Iran etc.

If Evangelical Christians manage to turn their country into a Theocracy, I'm pretty sure we'd see stonings of adulterers and homosexuals in the streets of the USA.

But Merry Christmas anyway, I'll enjoy my completely secular holiday this week [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Regards,
Mg

[falendar]

They can if they choose, if you are going by text, the old testament was succeeded by the new and that's how Christians are now allowed to eat pork wear polyester ect ( yes polyester was banned in the OT) . but the Qur'an never has this so extremists still rely on the kill all who will not convert text. I am religious but I refuse to follow a book written by man because it will inevitably have been corrupted by the writer. the bible and Qur'an both are written by man and in both instances can be proven to have parts written to benefit the writer.

[Dillian]

Originally Posted by Misto [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can, if they act on it.

Which they do.

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Is that danny devito on the left? He just kinda looks like he is trance or something lol, also what is red all over his shirt. Maybe he had a stroke and is bleeding from the ear.

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by Dillian [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is that danny devito on the left? He just kinda looks like he is trance or something lol, also what is red all over his shirt. Maybe he had a stroke and is bleeding from the ear.

lol if you haven't seen that show, you're missing out!

It is danny DeVito, though.

[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by Sidelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I should have mentioned above that I've only just scratched the surface -- i.e. total noob about this subject. Back when it happened I never heard much about it (didn't care about politics or watching the news, other countries and their conflicts, etc) so now I'm trying to learn more about it on my own. I haven't quite gotten to the years since the conflict ended but it's good that they're doing reasonably well now.

Bosnians enjoyed a priveleged status, along with Albanians, in the ottoman millet system. Anyway, Bosnians, Albanians, and Crimean Tatars enslaved millions of Christian Slavs over the centuries. The Serbs took vengeance and all of a sudden they were the evil ones.

Doesn't excuse it, just saying it's not as simplistic as "Serbs evil Bosnians victims"...
Wver wonder how seemingly modern nations like France and Germany could fight WW2? I get it, Germany was nationalistic and in dire economic straits, but you can't simply create pervasive hatred like the Nazis did without something inherent in the culture. Same thing in the Balkans. The Catholics, Serbs, and muslims had been treating each other like shit for centuries... That doesn't end because Tito says so

As for you Peatree, merry Christmas. My father was raised muslim and he isn't violent, but he also is a lapsed Shia at best... I can only speak for iran, but anyone in that country that is an actual devout Muslim is looked upon with suspicion by the rest of the population (the majority), since Islam is looked upon as a tool of repression. I don't think nearly all muslims are evil. But of all the religions I would choose to belong to, I thibk islam would be the last, behind anime worship and cannibalism

Finally, Baha'is aren't hippies dude. The religion started as a revival of faith in God during a period when Shia Iran was becoming influenced by secular (relatively) britain. Maybe america Baha'is are that way, but I assure you the founding populations aren't. We're conservative... I voted Romney

[Sidelle]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066

Bosnians enjoyed a priveleged status, along with Albanians, in the ottoman millet system. Anyway, Bosnians, Albanians, and Crimean Tatars enslaved millions of Christian Slavs over the centuries. The Serbs took vengeance and all of a sudden they were the evil ones.

I'm having a real problem with the idea of any group committing systematic and vengeful acts of mass rape and genocide against their historical enemies because of enslavement and horrible treatment that happened centuries ago. Rhetorically speaking, by that logic, is it now acceptable or reasonable if native americans and black people started raping and slaughtering white people in the USA to avenge their ancestors? (I know you wouldn't think that way, just so you know. I've read enough of your posts regarding religion and faith to know better.)

In my opinion, nothing could possibly make that level of violence acceptable or justifiable. I mean holy shit -- the horror that human beings are capable of inflicting on each other is just incredible...

If I ever lose my compassion or humanity to the point where I don't even blink an eye at the idea of committing the kind of genocidal violence that I've been reading about, I just wouldn't see any point in continuing to live anymore. I still don't know if I believe in God or not, but if he does exist I don't understand how he hasn't given up and wiped us all out by now.

[myriverse]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The Serbs took vengeance and all of a sudden they were the evil ones.

Vengeance is always evil. All ways.