People here for classic experience...?

[Bodybagger]

....not sure how troll thread or offending anyone if PRAS both servers and just saying I'm finding red play style feels more nostalgically classic for me....


Good job showing off how polarized you are on the subject though. Sounds like someone who has been on here a long time with one formed never changing opinion of the way things are. I'm more curious to hear form other newbs, not established players who have been around since p99 launch/several years, as this pertains more to NEW players reminiscing who have experience both.

Regardless, all of p99 is awesome and we are lucky to get to experience it at all as stated. I like being able to play both, love my blue pixels, love my red interactions and experiences.

[mickey182]

I do think there's a difference in economies, twinking/gearing, and high end (ie raid). Otherwise I think it's essentially classic.

Here's the core of it: if you played red originally, then red 99 is pretty classic. If you played blue originally, then red 99 in NO way resembles classic (because there wasn't much pvp on blue).

As for a solution: continue pushing through velious, until all (or most) of the fixes and changes are in place. Then restart server (with wipe) and either run it progression or 'as is' with full content through velious. Either way the removal of the top heavy, exploit leveled, and gear surplus will result in a return to purely classic.

Stepping back from that a bit you can voluntarily choose not to twink. I almost never twinked on live, which is what made me love the game. Likewise I don't twink here, and find it just as fun.

Not to poke the bear, but frankly there's an argument for loosening the no-box rule as well...part of what twinking is about is a need to be superman (via gear) to play solo. Let people be their own group and you alleviate the need for gear (somewhat), and weaken the hold of the economy. Just saying.

[Bodybagger]

Originally Posted by mickey182 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I do think there's a difference in economies, twinking/gearing, and high end (ie raid). Otherwise I think it's essentially classic.

Here's the core of it: if you played red originally, then red 99 is pretty classic. If you played blue originally, then red 99 in NO way resembles classic (because there wasn't much pvp on blue).

As for a solution: continue pushing through velious, until all (or most) of the fixes and changes are in place. Then restart server (with wipe) and either run it progression or 'as is' with full content through velious. Either way the removal of the top heavy, exploit leveled, and gear surplus will result in a return to purely classic.

Stepping back from that a bit you can voluntarily choose not to twink. I almost never twinked on live, which is what made me love the game. Likewise I don't twink here, and find it just as fun.

Not to poke the bear, but frankly there's an argument for loosening the no-box rule as well...part of what twinking is about is a need to be superman (via gear) to play solo. Let people be their own group and you alleviate the need for gear (somewhat), and weaken the hold of the economy. Just saying.

the wealthy economy raping perma-campers and twinkers are the same ones who would box to hell and back....

it's like tax laws... tax laws are not complicated because of poor people.

we don't ened complex rules for all of the regular folk enjoying EQ, it's all the poopsocking neckbeards that really obliterate the server into a joke imo. They strive to be the top 1% in a game just like the greedy top 1% in real life who want everyone else to suffer for their absurd prosperity and wealth to amass beyond any useable amount

...and they'd love to be able to box a full group and never need anyone else for anything



edit: and yes the red xp is a bit absurdly fast I suppose but at least people group up and play together, it served the intended purpose and isn't out of hand if you don't twink (or have ability to)

[Swish]

Yumyums has nailed this thread <3

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[mickey182]

Originally Posted by Bodybagger [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the wealthy economy raping perma-campers and twinkers are the same ones who would box to hell and back....

it's like tax laws... tax laws are not complicated because of poor people.

we don't ened complex rules for all of the regular folk enjoying EQ, it's all the poopsocking neckbeards that really obliterate the server into a joke imo. They strive to be the top 1% in a game just like the greedy top 1% in real life who want everyone else to suffer for their absurd prosperity and wealth to amass beyond any useable amount

...and they'd love to be able to box a full group and never need anyone else for anything

edit: and yes the red xp is a bit absurdly fast I suppose but at least people group up and play together, it served the intended purpose and isn't out of hand if you don't twink (or have ability to)

Well, this is similar to the difference between supply side and demand side economics. Since I personally operate demand side I naturally see demand-side remedies that would slowly lower the power of suppliers by comparison. You fear supply-side control (which isn't an invalid fear at all), and so would regulate the consumer to control the supplier. Just a preferential difference looking to achieve the same end.

[Toodles]

Originally Posted by mickey182 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not to poke the bear, but frankly there's an argument for loosening the no-box rule as well...part of what twinking is about is a need to be superman (via gear) to play solo. Let people be their own group and you alleviate the need for gear (somewhat), and weaken the hold of the economy. Just saying.

Absolutely correct, however it doesn't matter how many which ways we find dual boxing to be beneficial, they won't hear of it. It's just another thing they've long decided on not allowing and damned be any logic that we feeble plebs put their way.

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Alts and tradeskilling, a couple of months-long breaks when I got fed up with one thing or another... 3 years and 3 months since I rolled Kaev, my first char and my main, and just made 58 this month. P99's been a lot of fun and (I expect) will continue to be a lot of fun.

But MMO PvP in general and EQ PvP in particular hold zero attraction to me. If I wanted to demonstrate once again how terrible I am at MMO PvP I'd reactivate an EVE Online account and go do it in a game designed from the ground up for PvP. The endless "play red" spam is a constant low-level annoyance, a waste of bandwidth and a waste of time. Spam is spam even if the GMs love you, it contributes nothing positive to the environment.

Firstly, if you don't like it, don't comment. As cliche as that is, it couldn't be any more true in this instance.
Also, if you really like Project 1999 and are supportive, then having people play red (as opposed to nothing at all related to P99) should be encouraged - regardless of which version you prefer.
Lastly, you complain about red posts lacking any thing positive, yet a large portion of people whom now play on red, do because they were convinced by others through these forums in these very same 'trolling' threads that you call them.

The only thing with 'nothing to positive to the environment' is your unnecessary insistence on sharing your opinion about something you aren't interested in.
Trolling a troll (if that's how you see it), isn't beneficial to any one.

[Juntsie]

Juntsie tink dat classic experience can be had on server but must go looking and get lucky. Classic not found anywhere near high-end raid community or farming. Server has evolved into bastardized strange game that not function anyting like classic. Da Chardok proxy AE monopology so unclassic that it make Juntsie want to vomit. Extent of high-end items in economy not classic. It practically pixel casino. Extent of mass camping unclassic. Batphone-mechanic raids where no one fight to mob and fight take 15 seconds not classic.

Classic experience to be had with humble lowbies bashing tings for fun. Small and gud groups. Dat classic.

Juntsie tink after Velious released, GM open new, clean progression server wit firm raid rotation policy. WIPE IT CLEAN 2015!

[Daldaen]

No item recharge
No classic group exp
Global OOC
No Item Loot
Yellow Text

No thanks. If I get a camp, I want to be able to stay there a few hours and camp it without douchebaggery of someone vastly overgeared or vastly outnumbering me to steal the camp or spawn.

On blue, I don't need to worry about that. I just have to worry about neckbeard's who never leave. And even those who stay for a whole month at a camp leave eventually. I'm not trying to rush to the end of EverQuest to win, I don't think any of us are. So coming back tomorrow or next week or maybe even next month to camp something isn't the end of the world.

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No item recharge
No classic group exp
Global OOC
No Item Loot
Yellow Text

No thanks. If I get a camp, I want to be able to stay there a few hours and camp it without douchebaggery of someone vastly overgeared or vastly outnumbering me to steal the camp or spawn.

On blue, I don't need to worry about that. I just have to worry about neckbeard's who never leave. And even those who stay for a whole month at a camp leave eventually. I'm not trying to rush to the end of EverQuest to win, I don't think any of us are. So coming back tomorrow or next week or maybe even next month to camp something isn't the end of the world.

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[Iumuno]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No item recharge
No classic group exp
Global OOC
No Item Loot
Yellow Text

No thanks. If I get a camp, I want to be able to stay there a few hours and camp it without douchebaggery of someone vastly overgeared or vastly outnumbering me to steal the camp or spawn.

On blue, I don't need to worry about that. I just have to worry about neckbeard's who never leave. And even those who stay for a whole month at a camp leave eventually. I'm not trying to rush to the end of EverQuest to win, I don't think any of us are. So coming back tomorrow or next week or maybe even next month to camp something isn't the end of the world.

Neckbeards on blue will be in your way far more often than pks on red, it's not even close. And unlike red, you can't do anything about them.