People here for classic experience...?

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

Originally Posted by kaev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hey Yums, still sad you left blue for the easymode server. I'm a solid 12 months past actually caring about these posts, now it's just whether I feel like poking 'em, kinda like a bored kid with a stick looking at an anthill. OP seems a bit touchy, wonder how long he'll last on red if one of the srs trolls decides he might be fun to rustle.

Come back to blue Yums, you know that over 9000x XP multiplier on Red is about as unclassic as EQ gets, you might as well be playing live. Come back man, it's almost :classic: here these days, kinda sorta.

I'm actually not a fan of the xp bonus fwiw. I'm bringing up another character on red and personally find it too fast to really enjoy the newb zones. I do, however hate logging into blue and seeing the same no life's sitting at cash camps like it's a job. Pvp really brings another element to the game and makes it feel dangerous again and gives me reason to go visit an "occupied" camp.

I came here under the same impression others probably felt when they started here: "oh man! Classic server with less population than live!! I should be able to demolish pretty much anything and do the things I couldn't back when I was in high school. I'm probably better at this game and with only 700 people here ( at the time) I shouldn't have problems camping anything."

Problem is, 650/700 people thought the same thing. A very handsome portion of those forego entertainment, social lives, bathing or eating just to get a slice of the pie. Fucking EATING. I mean, really??? That's the blue server. It's attracted the longest beards of every server to one place. The end game is non stop bitching and lawyering. Everyone winds up there with nothing to do but endlessly farm tranix crowns, fingerboner hoops or TS ad nauseum for gear that will be obsolete day 4 of Velious dropping.

I feel like my gear conquest on red assists me in locking down a kill or resisting a spell to get away. Something to strive for in a game who's claim to fame is that it never ends

/rant off

[mickey182]

I do think there's a difference in economies, twinking/gearing, and high end (ie raid). Otherwise I think it's essentially classic.

Here's the core of it: if you played red originally, then red 99 is pretty classic. If you played blue originally, then red 99 in NO way resembles classic (because there wasn't much pvp on blue).

As for a solution: continue pushing through velious, until all (or most) of the fixes and changes are in place. Then restart server (with wipe) and either run it progression or 'as is' with full content through velious. Either way the removal of the top heavy, exploit leveled, and gear surplus will result in a return to purely classic.

Stepping back from that a bit you can voluntarily choose not to twink. I almost never twinked on live, which is what made me love the game. Likewise I don't twink here, and find it just as fun.

Not to poke the bear, but frankly there's an argument for loosening the no-box rule as well...part of what twinking is about is a need to be superman (via gear) to play solo. Let people be their own group and you alleviate the need for gear (somewhat), and weaken the hold of the economy. Just saying.

[Bodybagger]

Originally Posted by mickey182 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I do think there's a difference in economies, twinking/gearing, and high end (ie raid). Otherwise I think it's essentially classic.

Here's the core of it: if you played red originally, then red 99 is pretty classic. If you played blue originally, then red 99 in NO way resembles classic (because there wasn't much pvp on blue).

As for a solution: continue pushing through velious, until all (or most) of the fixes and changes are in place. Then restart server (with wipe) and either run it progression or 'as is' with full content through velious. Either way the removal of the top heavy, exploit leveled, and gear surplus will result in a return to purely classic.

Stepping back from that a bit you can voluntarily choose not to twink. I almost never twinked on live, which is what made me love the game. Likewise I don't twink here, and find it just as fun.

Not to poke the bear, but frankly there's an argument for loosening the no-box rule as well...part of what twinking is about is a need to be superman (via gear) to play solo. Let people be their own group and you alleviate the need for gear (somewhat), and weaken the hold of the economy. Just saying.

the wealthy economy raping perma-campers and twinkers are the same ones who would box to hell and back....

it's like tax laws... tax laws are not complicated because of poor people.

we don't ened complex rules for all of the regular folk enjoying EQ, it's all the poopsocking neckbeards that really obliterate the server into a joke imo. They strive to be the top 1% in a game just like the greedy top 1% in real life who want everyone else to suffer for their absurd prosperity and wealth to amass beyond any useable amount

...and they'd love to be able to box a full group and never need anyone else for anything



edit: and yes the red xp is a bit absurdly fast I suppose but at least people group up and play together, it served the intended purpose and isn't out of hand if you don't twink (or have ability to)

[Swish]

Yumyums has nailed this thread <3

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[Juntsie]

Juntsie tink dat classic experience can be had on server but must go looking and get lucky. Classic not found anywhere near high-end raid community or farming. Server has evolved into bastardized strange game that not function anyting like classic. Da Chardok proxy AE monopology so unclassic that it make Juntsie want to vomit. Extent of high-end items in economy not classic. It practically pixel casino. Extent of mass camping unclassic. Batphone-mechanic raids where no one fight to mob and fight take 15 seconds not classic.

Classic experience to be had with humble lowbies bashing tings for fun. Small and gud groups. Dat classic.

Juntsie tink after Velious released, GM open new, clean progression server wit firm raid rotation policy. WIPE IT CLEAN 2015!

[Daldaen]

No item recharge
No classic group exp
Global OOC
No Item Loot
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No thanks. If I get a camp, I want to be able to stay there a few hours and camp it without douchebaggery of someone vastly overgeared or vastly outnumbering me to steal the camp or spawn.

On blue, I don't need to worry about that. I just have to worry about neckbeard's who never leave. And even those who stay for a whole month at a camp leave eventually. I'm not trying to rush to the end of EverQuest to win, I don't think any of us are. So coming back tomorrow or next week or maybe even next month to camp something isn't the end of the world.

[Bodybagger]

Don't get me wrong, given the option, I would take a fresh rolled blue server fully classic right now ove rred.... but between red and blue CURRENTLY.... no way in hell am I playing blue and getting nearly the same experience as live kunark era EQ honestly... yes red has quirks and massive mechanic changes but the FEEL and play style seems more classic, and that's what I find so intriguing is that vast difference, as a p99 newb, comparing both to a classic experience form someone who came around late kunark/early velious anyways

I also feel like people who have been endgame p99 blue for over a year have no grasp on the trickle down economics and effect the current blue setup has on low end/new player base experience. It isn't at all classic, it's very much like Luclin era... blackburrow/crushbone feel more like PC than CB/BB. Paludal caverns at least still had some non twink groups and stuff, to offset the few ungodly twinks soloing entire camps full clear and trying to take over others...

just my $0.02

I think both a very fun experiences, and very different, and am myself surprised that red PLAYS more classically to me, in spite of knowing mechanic differences between them. Being kunark for 3 years has made blue an odd place for a newbie...

[Daldaen]

Odd isn't exactly bad.

There are more twinks for sure, symptomatic of what you describe. There are however, more non-twinks than twinks in most of those zones you mention. Unrest is full of guys in leather cloth and Ringmail. Sure each group may have a guy with lambent or crafted armor. And you may occasionally happen across an epic'd rogue or a fungi wearing monk. But I doubt this is any different from red. Red dudes still roll Alts. They don't just hit 60 then PvP all the time.

[mickey182]

Originally Posted by Bodybagger [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the wealthy economy raping perma-campers and twinkers are the same ones who would box to hell and back....

it's like tax laws... tax laws are not complicated because of poor people.

we don't ened complex rules for all of the regular folk enjoying EQ, it's all the poopsocking neckbeards that really obliterate the server into a joke imo. They strive to be the top 1% in a game just like the greedy top 1% in real life who want everyone else to suffer for their absurd prosperity and wealth to amass beyond any useable amount

...and they'd love to be able to box a full group and never need anyone else for anything

edit: and yes the red xp is a bit absurdly fast I suppose but at least people group up and play together, it served the intended purpose and isn't out of hand if you don't twink (or have ability to)

Well, this is similar to the difference between supply side and demand side economics. Since I personally operate demand side I naturally see demand-side remedies that would slowly lower the power of suppliers by comparison. You fear supply-side control (which isn't an invalid fear at all), and so would regulate the consumer to control the supplier. Just a preferential difference looking to achieve the same end.

[Fame]

Came for classic, found it on both servers. My first few weeks on blue were great. Loved it there. Spent the rest of my time here on red, love it there too.

If we're talking about the classic experience, I imagine that comes in a rather wide spectrum. For me, a lot of the "classic" is rooted in fear. Fear. I can remember being scared to explore back in the day because of the great unknown. I remember being afraid of an over pull and a wipe, forcing you to consider any action you made. I remember fearing any action that might have a negative impact on the way the community views me.

I have not been able to find any of that on blue, but, from day one on red, a healthy fear is all I have known. In all they ways I have mentioned above, fundamentally speaking.

That is why I continue to log onto the red server and completely ignore my characters on blue. They are hollow to me, no substance, no risk, no reward.

**Disclaimer** Red is not a server for everyone and if you do go play there, expect to view this game and all others differently from then on... I used to be a player friendly enchanter named Creem Filling and not in reference to a creampie. Now, people call me a troll. It is what it is. **Disclaimer**