Shaman race choice without torpor.

[Danth]

Torpor is expensive enough that a player who isn't highly dedicated to his character (maybe he has alts, or maybe the Shaman itself is an alt) might not afford it. Going with the original poster's desire to assume not having Torpor, my thoughts are as follows: All Shamans at 60 who lack Torpor, regardless of race, are gimped compared to any Shaman who has that spell. With that in mind you may as well pick whatever race you like the best. Regen will probably give the most useful benefit to a non-Torpor Shaman, but it's not remotely enough to bridge the gap. As such, I wouldn't pick a race just for regen unless I already liked that race, anyway.

Even with Torpor, it's worth remembering that there are no monsters that an Ogre can solo that another race cannot. Race choice simply isn't as crucial for a Shaman as it is for some other classes. Essentially you get to pick from four races, any of which are pretty good choices. Folks will debate the merits of various races until EQ is but a memory, but at the end of the day you can do what you do because you're a Shaman, regardless of what race you pick at creation.

Danth

[gobbosnobbo]

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Even with Torpor, it's worth remembering that there are no monsters that an Ogre can solo that another race cannot. Race choice simply isn't as crucial for a Shaman as it is for some other classes.

This right here, ends the debate completely.

You're not going to have an easier time with ogre, thats just the truth.

I'd rather have the extra regen + the snare trinket from troll, its as simple as that.

Just more benefits.

What people dont get is that with regrowth, fungi, and troll regen, thats over 45 health per tick. Thats 135 health in 9 seconds, that is massive. Especially if fights go over a minute (and they do).

You're basically looking at 900 health (give or take, math isnt exact) a minute. Thats 1800 health in two minutes, and you're not casting a damn thing.

Sorry, but regen is huge, especially as the fight goes on. Period. Its about efficiency and the long run, and in velious, dragon fights are long.


Or look at it this way, every 9 seconds, you negate a monster hit of 135 points. Its sort of a big deal.

[Schwing]

You mean every 18 seconds?

[Buriedpast]

Ogre.

With a max AC build.

[Malrubius]

It doesn't matter one gobsnot whether you get *stunned* or not. What matters is getting *interrupted*, and that happens to Ogres all the time, just as with other classes. Sure, your melee attack doesn't pause, but the interrupt still happens. I almost feel like I was ripped off by the "Frontal Stun Immunity" thing.

An innate Fungi Tunic (trolls and iksars) is huge though.

[DrKvothe]

At end-game, racial choices don't matter much due to the disproportionate power of our spells/epic. At 60, your power level relative to another shaman depends on torpor, epic, malo, and then things like clicky buffs, hp/resist gear, and other high end shaman spells (dots, 55 pet, etc.). These things costs platinum, and your platinum farming speed is highly level dependent, so you could argue that the strongest race is the one that gets you to 60 the fastest (and thus gives you a head start in funding torpor and post-torpor purchases).

So the "best race" will be the one that gets you to 60 the fastest. That's going to depend somewhat on how experienced you are with the game. Being non-kos to most humanoids is helpful if you're unfamiliar with most of the leveling zones or if you want to exploit all of the really OP turn-in quests early on, in which case barbarian wins. On the other hand, regen is really, really nice. Between troll and iksar: iksar has more faction problems, they have different leveling zones (depends on your tastes and experience with these zones), trolls get a neat snare clicky, iksars have a harder time getting to EC for 55/5 rings if you're untwinked, trolls are really fat and ugly, iksars can't use JBB. The importance of each of these minor factors depends on your knowledge of the game and personal preferences.

I'm tempted to roll an iksar shaman just to level through the kunark zones. I get bored of every other class =(

[Cecily]

Troll and Iksar looks are deal breakers for me, but then again so is Barbarian.

Ogre is just
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[SyanideGas]

troll is master race

[Painperdu]

Hi guys,

I played an ogre shaman on live from 2000 to end 2002. I'm playing an Ikky shaman on this server.

There is something intriguing me in this thread : no one here talked about Slam. That's something I just don't understand, as it is a skill making a real difference between the large races and iksar and much more valuable than the FSI which doesn't change the fact you'll get interrupted if you should have been stunned anyway.

Being able to interrupt a casting mob is priceless. It works in group and in raid, on any target, you just need to land the 1dmg.
As an ikky it is the skill I lack the most; I don't care about anything else but this. You can keep your lame useless JBB or your IFS that only saves you from death once every month, because I got the looking. But if I could get that Slam...

[Tormax]

I don't see it posted much here either, but damn, it sure does help with those gating mobs.