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Old 10-31-2014, 02:09 PM
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It is by all means free speech, and should remain perfectly legal in every regard. I'm simply arguing, along with people like Anita Sarkeesian, that it should be beneath our contempt and understood as detrimental to a world in which we treat women as human beings - human beings who are every bit as human as men.

It should be unappealing to everyone. The people championing GamerGate have this perception that a less patriarchal video game industry - a less patriarchal world - would somehow be lacking or less pleasing to them. I don't understand this in any way whatsoever. Awareness about issues, whether those issues are tropes or the blatant objectification of women, have never made me enjoy something less.

I'm done dancing around the issue about GamerGate, and I'm calling a spade a spade. GamerGate was founded on misogyny, it promulgates misogyny, it reinforces misogyny, and it is synonymous with misogyny.
I love your posts. Always good for a laugh. Can you even make a post where you're not trying to champion some cause or use the word misogyny (usually multiple times)? You're so fired up about an issue that less than 1% of the population even knows or cares about. I can picture you on some street corner handing out pamphlets on 'GamerGate' with the terms misogyny and tropes written all over it thinking the average successful adult even gives two shits about this. I know, I know... It's all just a reflection on the bigger picture of our patriarchal society and all it's wrongs. Keep on keeping on, brother. One day you'll get to touch a real vagina.
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Old 10-31-2014, 02:13 PM
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an issue that less than 1% of the population even knows or cares about.
Making my own point for me. It's a shame it's lost on you.
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Old 10-31-2014, 02:20 PM
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Then why are you so upset? They have the right to create the kind of games they wish, you have the right to criticize them, and women have the right to play or not play those video games as they choose. Why the need for the strong language?
Because - in case you've so easily forgotten - women who even dare to utter a word about these issues are having their personal information published, being forced to flee their homes because of the constant death threats and threats of violence and rape, and can't even go about holding a seminar without someone threatening to go on a fucking shooting spree.

That is the death of free speech. A better question is, why aren't more people upset about this?
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Old 10-31-2014, 02:30 PM
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Ignoring the issue is exactly what got us in this mess.
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Making my own point for me. It's a shame it's lost on you.

No, I get it lol. I just don't think trying to champion the cause here is going to have the intended effect. Literally, you should take to the streets and hand out those pamphlets instead of arguing here in RnF if you are a true crusader. Your average person just isn't going to think this is the big issue you make it out to be. I encourage you to try to prove me wrong.

I don't agree that anyone should be receiving death threats, so don't think I advocate for that, but I've seen a couple of the videos on this thing and they absolutely have the wrong women as the face of their campaign if they want to gain any real traction.
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Old 10-31-2014, 02:36 PM
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You've misunderstood. Gamergate began with a few women criticizing the game industry, but that's not what it's about now. What it's about now is the angry nerd reaction to to that criticism, where they think it's ok to make death and rape threats to anyone whose opinion they disagree with. That is what has gotten all the media attention, not some academic criticism of female representation in games.
False. It began as a consumer revolt reacting to 14 articles released on the same day saying "Gamers are dead".
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GamerGate is a perfect repository for the kind of misogyny demonstrated by the OP. That's all it is, really.

I say if it separates and provides an isolation chamber for misogynists that don't realize the objectification of women in video games is a real issue, then more power to it. I'd rather they be caught in their own idiotic feedback loop than attempt to spew their shit all over the rest of us.
Prove it.

Just as many pro-GG women have been threatened by the other side. You do realize that the internet has trolls out there that simply troll for attention and don't necessarily require an alliance to either group? You do realize that don't you?
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This is also an inaccurate representation of GamerGate. GamerGate began with misogynistic criticism of female journalists, and is still very much the same thing - it's just escalated from criticism to harassment to rape and death threats.
False. See above. Not a single threat has been proven to come from any pro-GG party.
Stop with your listen and believe bullshit and learn to trust but verify.

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The media attention around this is specifically because of the criticism of female representation in games and the video games industry; and industry where women are systematically excluded, and portrayed as background decoration and as mere objects for violence and abuse.
Stop drinking the kool-aid. You clearly have no fucking clue what you are talking about.
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Its sad that you guys are even giving them recognition, just ignore them and they will go away instead of spreading awareness of them
Actually it's the professional victims that keep giving this media attention. All GG wants to do is send emails and burn Kotaku/Gawker to the ground.
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Ignoring the issue is exactly what got us in this mess.
No, ignoring issues is what allowed this SJW bullshit to infect every form of entertainment. If you can't see the parallels between the current blame of video games for misogyny and Jack Thompson trying to blame video games for violence, I really don't know what to tell you.
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Well it really started with a female game developer cheating on her boyfriend, that boyrfriend being a stupid nerd and posting on her blog about it like a cry baby. And then everyone in the 4chan realising that hte person she cheated on him with worked as a game journalist.. so they started saying OMG SHE TRADED SEX FOR GOOD REVIEWS! then it turned out the journalist in question, or the publication he worked for never published anything about her game.. so it was just a bunch of stupd nerds shouting fire when there is none.

THEN they tried to say it was about integrity targeting Anita Sarkeesian after her having set up a crowd funded web-series and getting 100k'ish for it. They claimed that her videos could be made for far less than she says they cost to make.. So they started demanding that she publish receipts for all her spending on them, thinking that she was just pulling some sort of internet scam. Using the yet again false accusation as the reason why they are attacking her.

Ironically prior to becoming public enemy #1 for gamergate, the only public connection these two women had with each other were that they spoke out on the web for gaming equality and fair representation for women in video games.

Since then gamergate attempted to say its about 'journalistic integrity' but they also are too dumb to understand that biased reviews are how reviews have worked since the inception of reviews, let alone the life span. You find someone who's opinions match yours, and you listen to them, because you like their opinions because are in line with yours.

tl;dr a bunch of anti social nerds, are all hopped up on crazy pills and also in most cases hate women because of the constant fear of rejection they feel when they get out of bed every day, alone.

Side bonus, everyone IN the games industry listens to Anita Sarkeesian, and HATES gamergate.

At least anyone who is employable!

So the games industry is safe, while 4chan? You can still go there to enjoy people that have similar taste (aside from classic eq) as the racist piece of garbage, Rust1d.
So much false information it's not worth breaking down. Watch this instead.
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Old 10-31-2014, 02:37 PM
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Wrong, my post 100% accurate.
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Old 10-31-2014, 02:40 PM
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Stop the culture appropriation!!!!
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Old 10-31-2014, 02:41 PM
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Because - in case you've so easily forgotten - women who even dare to utter a word about these issues are having their personal information published, being forced to flee their homes because of the constant death threats and threats of violence and rape, and can't even go about holding a seminar without someone threatening to go on a fucking shooting spree.

That is the death of free speech. A better question is, why aren't more people upset about this?
Here's the long list of female critics harmed since the start of all of this:
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Old 10-31-2014, 02:42 PM
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Wrong, my post 100% accurate.
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Old 10-31-2014, 02:47 PM
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Literally, you should take to the streets and hand out those pamphlets instead of arguing here in RnF if you are a true crusader. Your average person just isn't going to think this is the big issue you make it out to be.
Right, because the average person isn't a gamer that would be inclined to care about these issues either way. This is why third wave feminism doesn't exclusively focus on video games. What better an avenue to discuss these issues than a forum that saw absolutely nothing wrong with leeching web traffic off illegally obtained nudes of Jennifer Lawrence? I prefer to attack the problem where the problem actually exists. If I'm overwhelmingly the vocal minority, that's a clear indication I'm speaking in the right place.

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I don't agree that anyone should be receiving death threats, so don't think I advocate for that, but I've seen a couple of the videos on this thing and they absolutely have the wrong women as the face of their campaign if they want to gain any real traction.
I disagree, but I can see where this becomes an issue and, believe it or not, I can see why people like Kagatob can't stand Anita Sarkeesian. I don't follow that train of thought - Anita Sarkeesian has the most accurate viewpoint on this issue, even if she occasionally errs on the side of pedantry. Anita Sarkeesian calling a spade a spade, or even being nauseatingly pedantic - which I don't think she is - does not and absolutely should not rationalize ending her speech on video games in a bloodbath.
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