Can someone accurately explain GameGate in a sentence?

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But couldn't you just flip that around and apply it to hers and your point of view too? Doesn't this type of.logic basically make all points of view moot?

no no she is being critical of an atform.

gamergate is like SHUTUP SHUTUP SHUTUP NO NO NO

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why is it an issue?

Objectification of women in real life is an issue, but why is it an issue in video games? Video games are somebody's artistic expression.

Is the glorification of Satan, murder, and blood/cum orgies in death metal songs an issue?

What about the extreme objectification of women in women's magazines, is that an issue? Should we force Cosmo and Vogue to stop airbrushing their anorexic models and focusing on "how to look sexy"?

These are all symptoms of widely accepted cultural values. It's okay to try and change those values as a broader social effort. It's not okay to go around whimsically policing and censoring whichever medium you feel deserves it. Women-centric media (certain magazines, reality TV, Dr. Oz, romantic comedies, The Bachelorette, Dance Moms, Kardashians, etc) handle women as bad or worse than masculine video games do, from image, values, and character-strength standpoints.

Anita is an opportunist, not a scholar. She's found something that is making her a lot of money and attention, and she has latched onto it like a leech.

Fucked up thing is that in a year, 5 years, 10 years there is still going to be male dominated market with those AAA shooty murder simulators going strong. That is...if the market isnt crashed completely

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by radditsu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fucked up thing is that in a year, 5 years, 10 years there is still going to be male dominated market with those AAA shooty murder simulators going strong. That is...if the market isnt crashed completely

she doesnt have a problem with AAA shooty murder simulators... she has aproblem with them being stupid as fuck with shitty characters and writers that think gritty is a brothel with naked dead hookers everywhere.

I too have a problem with them being stupid as fuck and want them to be better.

[paulgiamatti]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Serious question Paul: while you may disagree with the video game industry, why do you not consider this kind of thing free speech?

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is by all means free speech, and should remain perfectly legal in every regard. I'm simply arguing, along with people like Anita Sarkeesian, that it should be beneath our contempt and understood as detrimental to a world in which we treat women as human beings - human beings who are every bit as human as men.

It should be unappealing to everyone. The people championing GamerGate have this perception that a less patriarchal video game industry - a less patriarchal world - would somehow be lacking or less pleasing to them. I don't understand this in any way whatsoever. Awareness about issues, whether those issues are tropes or the blatant objectification of women, has never made me enjoy something less.

I'm done dancing around the issue about GamerGate, and I'm calling a spade a spade. GamerGate was founded on misogyny, it promulgates misogyny, it reinforces misogyny, and it is synonymous with misogyny.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by radditsu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fucked up thing is that in a year, 5 years, 10 years there is still going to be male dominated market with those AAA shooty murder simulators going strong. That is...if the market isnt crashed completely

Well, at some point we're going to get equality in video games right? Books used to be exclusively for men (hell, anything important in society used to be exclusively for men), but that changed over time right?

The question is just, will it be 5 years, 10 years, 20 years? In a sense that's what this entire battle is about: one side is trying to make it happen faster and the other side is trying to put off the inevitable as long as possible.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

one side is trying to make it happen faster and the other side is trying to put off the inevitable as long as possible.

what is insane to me is she is complaning about games.. the gamergate complane about HER... like

whats it to you if she complanes about toys, YOU didnt make them... ironcially the people that made them agree with her...

but like, why do so many nerds take it so personaly when they find out that the naked chick in a bikini is sexist? like just go, "hmm thats interesting, I hadnt noticed"... and fuckn move on with your life!

like to argue NO ITS NOT NO ITS NOT is so fucking silly

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well, at some point we're going to get equality in video games right? Books used to be exclusively for men (hell, anything important in society used to be exclusively for men), but that changed over time right?

The question is just, will it be 5 years, 10 years, 20 years? In a sense that's what this entire battle is about: one side is trying to make it happen faster and the other side is trying to put off the inevitable as long as possible.

This is patently false. NOBODY is trying to put off equality in video games. That's a dumb fucking statement. I am all for someone producing something women like and will buy in the millions and play and be happy and develop a real market for. Female equality in video games can already be obtained, if enough females were interested in doing so. (Societal problem not a "gamer" problem). It is easier its ever been to produce a game. Hell I see RPG maker type games being sold in the 10-15 dollar range every day, and you barely have to script those motherfuckers. (Last Dream is great ya'll). The market for women seems to fall squarely into the "phone games" square right now. Basically things that had mechanics like NES/Puzzle games. That's not to say that ALL women are like this, cause that's a dumb fucking generalization. The games are where the market takes them. By all means women, buy more games that you like. Don't blame men for playing a game as a stripper witch who's hair is a costume and fights people with a stripper pole, or a bitch who cuts zombies with a chainsaw.


Build something, build a following by producing quality. Invest in yourself, and produce something new and worthwhile that speaks to people. Stop fucking complaining that its unfair and people are trying to hold you down. Invest in a MBA, C# or hell even some python. Examine what works in soundtrack composition. Learn about 3 act structures and invest in your writing. Do something that SPEAKS to others for fucks sake. Bitching about in equality and unequal representation is fine when there aren't avenues for you to "Git Gud". I doubt there is one mid range development firm that would patently dismiss any female with qualifications and a passion for a genre. The old hand (Japanese) firms....maybe. Bioware, Blizzard, *ugh* Ubisoft, started from nothing, didn't get handed shit, and eventually cashed out and got ruined by publishers...the American dream

It's motherfucking sad that HIDEO KOJIMA and his INFINITE problems with women can build better, more fully realized female characters than anyone I have seen. (EVA and The Boss, MGS3) And that motherfucker put a bomb in a bitches vagina.

Have you played the new Tomb Raider? That bitch was a plant except when she climbed that tower, and when she got that fucking grenade launcher.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why is it an issue?

Objectification of women in real life is an issue, but why is it an issue in video games? Video games are somebody's artistic expression.

Right, but if you saw a video game where you lynch black people, or beat up faggots, would you really argue "it's just their artistic expression?"

Now don't get me wrong: historically video games have been singled out, beyond any other artistic medium, by the "won't someone please think of the children" crowd. Because they're a very new medium, and because they are consumed largely by "the younger generation", they've had to put up with a lot more scrutiny from "the older generation" than other art forms, and that's bullshit.

But that doesn't give the entire medium a free pass either.

[harnold]

Its sad that you guys are even giving them recognition, just ignore them and they will go away instead of spreading awareness of them

[paulgiamatti]

Ignoring the issue is exactly what got us in this mess.