Thoughts on movement from Class C to Class R

[Phats]

Originally Posted by Phats [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I would propose:
they may elect to go back to Class R after a 30 day cool off period. During the cool off period the guild may only compete on FFA mobs.

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1 month cool down seems reasonable and can even put in something that disallows the same guild from engaging a C mob for additional 2 months after so they cannot repeat same process

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I do like Erati's addendum:

I think you meant to say you like Phat's proposal.

[arsenalpow]

Class R manages class R, your proposals are irrelevant.

[Phats]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's cute that Phats is worried about how a class R guild could potentially game the system

Phats is only worried about where he will get his next meal.

I do not bring any animosity to this conversation. I was proposing a solution.

Please refrain from attacking me in Server Chat.

[Phats]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Class R manages class R, your proposals are irrelevant.

My proposal had nothing to do with Class R management. My proposal was made exactly because:

Originally Posted by arsenalpow

Class R manages class R

[falkun]

Originally Posted by Phats [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think you meant to say you like Phat's proposal.

You didn't bring up the one month...Chest did. Erati's idea puts some time between R guilds attempting to enter C after they leave C. Neither idea came from you.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Honestly, are any of the current R guilds planning to join C in the long term? Because otherwise it seems like we are just trying to make it sweet enough for an R guild to come play in C for a month and then go back.

[Funkutron5000]

I think it should be a sliding scale on moving from C->R. If you move up, decide it's not for you, I think it should start with 2 weeks before moving back to R. If you try again, it doubles to 4 weeks. Next time, 8 weeks, etc.

I think the "first" down shift should be a short period so guilds can attempt to move up, try it out, and see if they like it or not with minimal risk. This could also be scaled to how long you're in class C. If you move up, stay there for 6 months, and you're moderately successful then decide to move down, it should probably take a bit longer. Or, since IB and TMO have been class C for 10 months, if either decides it really wants to move down to R, it should obviously have a longer wait period.

Please note this is my own opinion and does not reflect the views or opinions of TMO as a whole.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by HeallunRumblebelly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Honestly, are any of the current R guilds planning to join C in the long term? Because otherwise it seems like we are just trying to make it sweet enough for an R guild to come play in C for a month and then go back.

I already explained a Taken members view on the jump from R->C in the stop socking thread.

Basically the main benefit to C is VP. We have 1 cleric who isn't active keyed. We aren't getting anything in there anytime soon.

If we wanted to press it we would have to key several clerics (and plenty of others... But we do have 4 or 5 level 60 epic druids... So we should be set!), of whom I don't think any are close to getting their 3 medallions nor do they want to buy their way into the MQs.

That being said its all moot without Trak Teeth. Which we can't compete on the FFA or Class C CotH fest. We have a guild mage and 1 main mage who play frequently. Not enough to contest Trak. Let alone the other 12~ sockers required at entrance and 20 camped. With Trak in its current Poopsock state, it's extremely unlikely we can compete. Unless we wanted to shit all over the rotation (which we don't) and steal rotation Traks (which we won't)

All that aside, the majority of our members prefer Class R. So the jump would push some away and that isn't something we are keen on.

The other guild with a reasonable argument is BDA. And they won't because Chest.

Tl;dr - no one has any plans in the near future unless there are changes to the current raid scene.

[Erati]

Regardless if any guild is planning on doing it anytime soon...

its really dumb to have created the two tiers with the intended goal being upward mobility and yet

have no system in place for any kind of downward mobility besides a "GM decision"


Less smoke and mirrors with raid policy rules pls.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Dald--so power level some mages? Can do 1 to 40 in a day and 40 to 60 in a week or so casually in chardok. Not sure how staff feels about guild accounts but they're absolutely vital to raiding. The bigger issue is having the will and the response time to compete on trak. Recently even we have been struggling with trakaman.