Classic Everquest Community? I think not!

[Eccentricaa]

Originally Posted by eqdruid76 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's the same as live, except there is a large contingency of players here who were notorious, infamous, and banned on live. So it's a farily concentrated level of asshole here.

I think im going to have to agree with you there... What is missing from this server, is the nice friendly casual players. *note, there are some nice folks out there, but they are hard to find

The people here, for the most part, are eq addicts. There is an imbalance between those who want a true challenge.. and those who need the bank account to feel successful in this game.

Ive been here a month or so now, and as a semi-casual, never will be a raider, kind of player.. Ive had so many issues with higher levels, who feel justified in stealing named from groups, who train/fd, etc. Its almost a nightly basis, our group/guild has had some run in with someone. Issues ranging from training to steal camps, from walking into camp and sitting directly on named spawn point, claiming it..

How rude is it, to steal a named from a group of lvl 15s, to get an item that might sell for 30p.. Then the same person claims to be generous, because he gave that drop to help out some noob. I like to work for what I have. I like to quest for it, to hunt for it. Its not as gratifying to just buy it from some bot farmer. And I try not to either. My highest character is a lvl 33, who still has one empty slot, and some tattered armor.

I truly feel sorry for the gm's that have to put up with all this stuff, on a daily basis. To play babysitter to a bunch of ADULTS who are not capable of acting civil.

I know that this server recognizes camps... However, with the number of semi afk farmers that box, having one toon sit at each spawn, Im starting to miss the first to hit/damage mob rule. At least then, you could still be first to aggro the mob, away from the semi afk / boxing farmer, who has a slower response.

The boxers are a problem, but not just the ones who play together. The boxers that are the issues are the semi afk farmers, who have toons parked on various spawns, camping multiple locations at once, each solo, and each appearing independent of one another, all while another toon sits in ec selling.



The community really isnt there.. Not in the same way. There are people.. but not really a community. First time around, things were new to all of us. There was a great deal of ooc communication, discoveries, unsolved quests. The number of soloer's here is also out of proportion to numbers on classic. People grouped back then .. Everywhere.. Loot was shared among a group with random chances of winning. (or the random chance of a ninja looter) It wasnt the solo farmers claiming every drop.

[Cyph]

Good post Eccentricaa, I feel the same way and you have more or less summed up my thoughts exactly. The classic EQ on Live servers felt much more like a community; people helping each other out, adhering to 'unwritten' rules and respecting each other. Sure, there were some who stretched and broke the rules but these were usually resolved by the community, or in the more serious cases, GMs.

Likewise with your comment on discovery, grouping and solo'ers. Everyone grouped as there was safety in numbers. Occassionally people solo'ed but these were usually solo friendly classes such as druids, necros and mages, and more often than not they would join groups if they were available. I was on Xegony back in the really early days so multiboxing was rare, so there were no issues with spawn camping as you desribe it. I guess now everyone knows where things are, what spawns where, who drops what and where to get the best xp from. There's no point to adventure when you're actively on the treadmill.

My main is only level 10 but I'm turned off by what I'm seeing as I level higher; even at level 10 there is spawn camping and stealing. I want to relive my old EQ experiences but I just don't feel the same here. I don't know... I feel so conflicted.

[Anuril]

The drugs were better back then.

[Bubbles]

THERE IS NOTHING CASUAL ABOUT EQ.

Period.

Get.

Over.

It.

It was called "EverCrack" for a reason. The damn game is like mainlining heroin. You don't just "dabble" in EQ.. It simply doesnt happen, just like you don't just "dabble" in crystal meth. You're in or you're not.

If you honestly..

I mean it pains me to type this out...

If you are seriously clueless to where all the happy go lucky tradeskillers, wedding planners, language learners, fishermen, questers, roleplayers, and god knows what else....

If you aren't quite grasping the concept of where they all are.. I'll go ahead and spell it out for you:

THEY STOPPED PLAYING YEARS AGO.

They didn't make the effort, expel needless time and energy finding EQClassic/EQEmu... Set up EMU forum accounts. Find this particular instance of a Classic Server Revival (that actually worked out)..

They were the normal people. They let go. They had kids, they graduated college. They became teachers and scientists and senators and cashiers and whatever else. They moved on with their lives.

The hundred or so hardcore people running this high-end of this server? Yeah, they aren't the people i listed in the previous paragraph. Make your own conclusions.

But for the love of all that is holy, don't prance around on a message board whining about how the clueless 80% that wasn't competitive didn't make it to this incarnation of Everquest. Honestly, it was to be expected. I'm actually pretty pleased that over half the people i come into contact with on this server are cool as heck and fun to interact with. I feel like we're beating the odds in spite of it all.

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But seriously, it's a real simple math/logic equation. The casual fan base didnt survive Live EQ. It's not entirely shocking that they weren't maniacal enough about EQ to end up here.

[Noleafclover]

Good post Bubbles.

And I don't feel like you have to be an asshole to newbies just by being hardcore (in response to Eccentricaa) I'd agree most of the assholes are hardcore, but there are also a lot of people who want to help newbies out and are willing to provide advice/assistance/platinum.

To continue what Bubbles is saying, the mystery is gone. It's 10 years old. So you won't really get people coming on to explore an unknown world, but more of us are here to conquer it like we didn't the first time around when we were exploring. It's a different experience in a lot of ways for me.

And you get what we had here last week. Which is the way he wants it... well he gets it.

Nah, but you get hardcore guilds fighting to be the ones to get to conquer. There's some competition. Just the way it is. Not that it wasn't there in 99, but it'll definitely be visible to the casual now, since even the casual doesn't have a mysterious world to occupy him.

[Flicka]

*looks surprised* not to discount anyone's feelings or bad experiences, hey I've had them too! But life is what you make of it. So is this game. If you focus on griefing or greed or training or the campers or the high end guilds or whatever pisses you off and just keep THAT in your sights then yeah this server sucks. But so will any other server on any other game you play.

Find your own joy. Don't let a negative experience ruin what makes you happy and the reason you logged on. If all you look for is the bad, well then that is all you will see.

Nothing is "owed" to you for your good deeds. Also if something "bad" happens afterwards it's not reverse karma?

[eqdruid76]

Originally Posted by Rasterburn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Whatcha need........



.....is a server blacklist.


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There's the crux of the redundancy of P99; THIS FORUM is the server blacklist, yet 100% of the time the ones who get blacklisted are the ones with the gripe, legitimate or otherwise.

[Cyph]

Bubbles, Noleaf and Flicka all make good points but I think you're all missing the intention of the original post; others should no spoil the fun of others. There's no point stealing spawns for low level loot (probably intended for twinks or powerleveling). There's no need for lowering ourselves to a shouting raving mob of lunes. We can all play Everquest the way we want without ruining it for others.

Perhaps I shouldn't be posting this, but I know I for one would love to see a bit more civility on these forums. A maybe a more iron first to resolve anti-social behaviour. That said, I've met some real nice people, so we aren't all bad apples.

[Aarone]

The more I read Flicka, the more I like what she has to write!!

[Eccentricaa]

Like I said in my post, the people in our guild are casual players. We are not and never will be raiders, in the search of status.

We have been playing eq as a group, for 10 years off and on, frequently restarting character sets.

Its the game play we like. Having a sold group or two, capable of crawling dungeons beyond our lvl, fighting all reds, enjoying the dungeon crawl for what it is. A game.

I play, more than the others in our guild. So instead of leveling past my friends, I created alts, and kept my 'main' guild group character in group able range, so we can enjoy our nightly hunts in dungeons.

We are casual players, who did seek out the classic experience. The additional challenge of hunting without defiant gear, or cushy exp bonuses.

If you people want to see the populations of this server, continue to grow, you have to consider what it takes to build a community. Otherwise you will end up with a guild of 30 (and 200 boxed alt accounts) in a circle jerk, patting each other on the backs for being king of the world. The world consisting of only themselves.