Bard Question

[Kekephee]

Deajay wrote a guide that I used while I was levelling up. It's really good. My only beef with it was that I couldn't deal with all the tree-dodging in WW. I mostly grouped my way through the levels, so I skipped a few of these places, but other than WW it looks to all be legit.

http://wiki.project1999.com/Deajay%2...Location_Guide

[sox7d]

I'm really surprised that the sentiment here is, "you 18 people grouping here can/should just move to another zone because 2-3 people can/want to kite."

[Getsmurfed]

http://wiki.project1999.com/Deajay%2...Location_Guide

Pretty damn good basic guide to levels / location. There's a lot of other hidden gems that aren't listed here, just do some roaming.

[Juryiel]

Originally Posted by sox7d [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm really surprised that the sentiment here is, "you 18 people grouping here can/should just move to another zone because 2-3 people can/want to kite."

That's because you're reading it from your biased perspective.

18 people with a billion zone choices to exp in
2-3 people with 10 zone choices to kite in

Also I don't think anyone is saying so-and-so should move. Anyone is welcome to stay in OT and compete with bards for spawns or try to work out a compromise. Bards are not the ones who care about that, given that they have a huge upper-hand in that competition. It's other people who are saying bards shouldn't AE kite in places.

But bards won't stop AE kiting, you can get multiple levels a day doing that with fairly little play time. You should take that as a given, and work from there to find a solution. The alternative is the equivalent of banging your head against a brick wall and thinking the wall will break before your head does.

[Getsmurfed]

Originally Posted by sox7d [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm really surprised that the sentiment here is, "you 18 people grouping here can/should just move to another zone because 2-3 people can/want to kite."

Maybe if you 18 people didn't hate on hybrids so hard to the point that you don't even invite them. And then when the hybrids you don't invite try to earn their xp like everyone else in the game by using the tools handed them, you then traverse to the like one zone in 300 that is so ideal for kiting.

[sox7d]

Originally Posted by Juryiel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's because you're reading it from your biased perspective.

18 people with a billion zone choices to exp in
2-3 people with 10 zone choices to kite in

A billion zone choices, but OT is more ideal than many, many spots.

Originally Posted by Juryiel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also I don't think anyone is saying so-and-so should move.

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Originally Posted by Juryiel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But bards won't stop AE kiting, you can get multiple levels a day doing that with fairly little play time. You should take that as a given, and work from there to find a solution. The alternative is the equivalent of banging your head against a brick wall and thinking the wall will break before your head does.

Or make threads till the admins do something about bullshit like that. There have already been quite a few non-classic measures implemented to solve unfair/monopolizing players.

Originally Posted by Getsmurfed [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maybe if you 18 people didn't hate on hybrids so hard to the point that you don't even invite them. And then when the hybrids you don't invite try to earn their xp like everyone else in the game by using the tools handed them, you then traverse to the like one zone in 300 that is so ideal for kiting.

I play a ranger and a paladin, but that doesn't matter. I've also never, ever, ever, ever heard "don't get a bard, they're not worth the penalty." A bard is spending just as much LFG time as any other non-hybrid.

Rofl at the "I'll exact my revenge on a world that turned its back on me" angle.

[Juryiel]

Originally Posted by sox7d [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A billion zone choices, but OT is more ideal than many, many spots.

Sounds spoiled to me. You want to stop other people's form of fairly unique exping so you can exp by your 'ideal' method even though you have many other similarly viable methods and they don't? Good luck with that. But in general arguments of "you should decrease your exp-rate by 20x so that I can exp more lazily" won't get you very far.

Originally Posted by sox7d [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Your interpretation of page 1 is bad. As I said, people CAN leave if they don't like bards in OT and it would even benefit them to do so, or they can stay and compete with bards. Bards don't care if you stay and try to compete with them and in fact most of the time they will accommodate your poor decision to stay in a sub-par grouping zone.

Originally Posted by sox7d [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Or make threads till the admins do something about bullshit like that. There have already been quite a few non-classic measures implemented to solve unfair/monopolizing players.

Could be a fine solution. Rather than making anti-bard crying posts people should ask the GMs to make these changes directly, and the GMs can make a decision as they see fit. As long as bards can AE kite, they will, so complaining about them doing it is a poor method to get anything done other than increasing your own frustration. Just ask the GMs for your changes and abide by their decision.

[indiscriminate_hater]

Originally Posted by sox7d [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Or make threads till the admins do something about bullshit like that. There have already been quite a few non-classic measures implemented to solve unfair/monopolizing players.

Read: "cry about classic mechanics that don't benefit me until someone changes it"

You must have gone far in life

[Getsmurfed]

To be honest, I don't even know why I'm arguing this. I'm a 60 bard and haven't kited for over a year! I'm a recovered addict, but I'll never be completely over my addiction. I must always stay strong. You guys crack me up. Level however suits you.

[Ciroco]

OT is sub-par? There are good reasons why people group there instead of dungeons, and nostalgia isn't one of them.