Twin Ninja Looter

[Ambrotos]

I don't know. If the group announced everything was FFA at the start, can't really just say "Oops, we didn't mean that" when a item drops that you want. If it was stated up front what was up, then sure a Guide/GM can step in and recover it. Most likely just make the entire party roll for the cloak.

I remember from live where the group leader would loot the named, and then people would roll on it/would be given to the person next on list. Do it old school!

[Snikliweed]

Originally Posted by Ambrotos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't know. If the group announced everything was FFA at the start, can't really just say "Oops, we didn't mean that" when a item drops that you want. If it was stated up front what was up, then sure a Guide/GM can step in and recover it. Most likely just make the entire party roll for the cloak.

I remember from live where the group leader would loot the named, and then people would roll on it/would be given to the person next on list. Do it old school!

Yeah except no one ever said that the group was FFA and we had rolled on a previous item. Yeah it would of been great if the person who looted the item would allow the other group members to roll on it.

[Pint]

hope hbc was worth rerolling over

[Erectus]

I was in the group as the ranger who got collaterally kicked for stating my position on the matter. It was pretty clearly FFA, since EVERY named drop was being looted as soon as the corpse hit the floor. I had no problem with this cause my ranger is mega-twinked and I don't really need anything. But 3 of the member of the group were guilded together and they were the ones FFA'ing everything. Twin, whose gear sucks, obviously saw the cloak drop and looted it since he needed it. The 3 guild members were in an uproar and started flaming him and kicked us both. I looted 1 fine steel morning star and the group said "ranger looting WTF". Their whole loot concept was "take as you may" which was 100% convenient for them until a poor rogue took a measley cloak over an epic rogue. Then suddenly the loot rules "changed". Typical greed.

[Ambrotos]

Originally Posted by Snikliweed [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah except no one ever said that the group was FFA and we had rolled on a previous item. Yeah it would of been great if the person who looted the item would allow the other group members to roll on it.

When you come here making a post giving half assed information about what happened, it's kind of hard to bring out the pitch forks and fire to burn them at the stake. We have you, and then two other people saying how the group was ran differently. Rant and rave and accuse people no problem, but provide all information next time.

Originally Posted by Erectus View Post
actually, it was a FFA group and then they only wanted to roll when twin FFA'd the cloak... every other drop from mobs and nameds was being treated FFA. also he didn't leave group, he was kicked from group while waiting for a GM to come settle the dispute

Originally Posted by Twin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If a group continues to loot at their fastest rate from named mobs that come prior, without any regard to what was looted, without any statement of the groups' rules it should be understood that is an FFA loot system. I was never opposed to rolling but seeing as the group had attributed a loot as fast as you can system and the only people who could've looted it based on need were the people engaging the mob, I happened to be the fastest one.

When I asked questions after I looted I was removed from the group after being insulted. I indicated I'm willing to wait for a GM to solve the dispute and have no problem rolling for the item if what I in fact did was illegal with regard to the servers rulesystem and an apparent FFA group loot system that was not explained to me otherwise. I was then kicked and the other ranger who was not agreeing with them was kicked as well.

[Snikliweed]

Well I was intending on GM's to resolve the issue, but they never arrived so I was just warning anyone else who groups with this guy to not let him loot any named MOBS because he might be under the assumption its FFA.

[Ambrotos]

Make sure you have logs and screenshots of the entire thing to help your case. Kinda hard to make a hard ruling on something like this with nothing to go on besides 3 guild members, and 3 other group members.

[Snikliweed]

I have screen shots of everything, and it was 4 group members and two brothers.

[Erydan Ouragan]

Originally Posted by Erectus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was in the group as the ranger who got collaterally kicked for stating my position on the matter. It was pretty clearly FFA, since EVERY named drop was being looted as soon as the corpse hit the floor. I had no problem with this cause my ranger is mega-twinked and I don't really need anything. But 3 of the member of the group were guilded together and they were the ones FFA'ing everything. Twin, whose gear sucks, obviously saw the cloak drop and looted it since he needed it. The 3 guild members were in an uproar and started flaming him and kicked us both. I looted 1 fine steel morning star and the group said "ranger looting WTF". Their whole loot concept was "take as you may" which was 100% convenient for them until a poor rogue took a measley cloak over an epic rogue. Then suddenly the loot rules "changed". Typical greed.

Yeah.. except no, it doesnt work like that.

If EVERY named that popped did drop junk EVERY time, then of course it's going to get looted without anyone saying anything, because it's junk.

You can't claim "Everyone was looting and nobody ever rolled on anything, therefore the group was FFA." because the reason why nobody rolled is because nothing of value had dropped until that point.

There are no FFA groups in everquest, it doesn't exist. If it did, casters and healers would have to constantly reposition themselves to be in looting range when the mob dies and you NEVER see that.

The cloak was ninja-looted, pure and simple.

[Cecily]

This is a terrible name and shame. What was the name of the guild and who were you grouped with?

Honestly, it sounds like a misunderstanding on both sides. But if the 3 guildies were trying to screw everyone else over and simply split the loot between themselves, I'm glad you interpreted the rules how you did.