Didn't Derubael and other GM's agree something was needed for end game?

[heartbrand]

Originally Posted by Gaanon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Az doesn't need to be the counter zerg to fight Nihi, that is a job no one wants including me or anyone else since release. I know you'd like to blame Lite for everything including why the box is like it is, but simply he isn't the guy that wants to build up new toons all day to bring 50 and sit on PD's spawn point to gear up his 25th recruitment wave?

I don't speak for Lite, but when Nizz was on break Lite was talking about how awful raiding all Sat/Sun was, which is what is required, regardless you sound bitter as fuck my wisdom won't penetrate that cranium.

so pretty much: "hi we dont want to put any effort into recruiting for a MMO guild which is predicated upon recruiting, so plz change the way an emulated EQ server meant to relive 1999 style EQ is ran so we can win" ? thx

[Buhbuh]

Originally Posted by Gaanon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Az doesn't need to be the counter zerg to fight Nihi, that is a job no one wants including me or anyone else since release. I know you'd like to blame Lite for everything including why the box is like it is, but simply he isn't the guy that wants to build up new toons all day to bring 50 and sit on PD's spawn point to gear up his 25th recruitment wave?

I don't speak for Lite, but when Nizz was on break Lite was talking about how awful raiding all Sat/Sun was, which is what is required, regardless you sound bitter as fuck my wisdom won't penetrate that cranium.

I haven't gotten through the whole thread yet, because I wanted to stop on this point.

Azrael are being the disingenuous ones.

You guys have to stop projecting that you're the only option against Nihilum and let a 3rd guild work itself out. Don't shit all over a guild if it ends up working with Nihilum to better stand alone in the future, and don't try to poach members you ultimately don't want.

Red Dawn, at least from my point of view as an officer, wasn't going to be merging with Nihilum at any point, or even going to be friends with them after all the help. And I think even from their point of view, they liked having a third guild present to contest against shit. It certainly made the tension/ outcome more dynamic. I liked it more, personally. You guys went full retard on the boards and in ooc (just like you do now, as you always have at any point in time on the server) and called us nuthuggers, scumbags, etc etc.

The point of it all from our perspective was to become a force of well geared mains as quickly as possible for the release of Velious so that we wouldn't have something like we do now. You guys knew deep down that all our good or knowledgeable players would go Nihilum if the guild crumbled, and yet you actively sought it out after we began working with Nihilum. Yes, we helped them destroy you guys on several occasions. And we were rewarded quite handsomely (not me personally).

You act like we were just in it for the loot, but the reality is that a good majority of us left that guild down hundreds of thousands of plat, countless hours wasted or spent on players who quit or clearly didn't/ don't appreciate it, and a bunch of loot given away to players for nothing but grief. I joined that guild BiS pre-VP, and I left it the exact same way. Plenty of others can tell you the exact same thing.

Several things prevented us from moving forward, though, including (and this is Lite's and Heartbrand's bad) posting logs of Heartbrand trying to play both sides. Lite's intention was to hurt the guild. I guess he wanted all of our players (and now, strangely, doesn't), or he just misinterpreted what we were doing with Nihilum and wanted us dead. I don't really know. Heartbrand over-extended and got caught, terminating any agreements that we previously had. He admittedly knows this. He fucked up... bad.

But we were still on our way to a three guild thing before all of that happened.

Keep this is mind, though: if Azrael is not the guild to use numbers in order to contest (especially come Velious), then step the fuck back and let someone else who's willing do it. Be your little hit squad all you want, but don't brand yourselves as the premiere guild to contest when you aren't or simply can't do it.

[lite]

Originally Posted by Buhbuh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I haven't gotten through the whole thread yet, because I wanted to stop on this point.

Azrael are being the disingenuous ones.

You guys have to stop projecting that you're the only option against Nihilum and let a 3rd guild work itself out. Don't shit all over a guild if it ends up working with Nihilum to better stand alone in the future, and don't try to poach members you ultimately don't want.

Red Dawn, at least from my point of view as an officer, wasn't going to be merging with Nihilum at any point, or even going to be friends with them after all the help. And I think even from their point of view, they liked having a third guild present to contest against shit. It certainly made the tension/ outcome more dynamic. I liked it more, personally. You guys went full retard on the boards and in ooc (just like you do now, as you always have at any point in time on the server) and called us nuthuggers, scumbags, etc etc.

The point of it all from our perspective was to become a force of well geared mains as quickly as possible for the release of Velious so that we wouldn't have something like we do now. You guys knew deep down that all our good or knowledgeable players would go Nihilum if the guild crumbled, and yet you actively sought it out after we began working with Nihilum. Yes, we helped them destroy you guys on several occasions. And we were rewarded quite handsomely (not me personally).

You act like we were just in it for the loot, but the reality is that a good majority of us left that guild down hundreds of thousands of plat, countless hours wasted or spent on players who quit or clearly didn't/ don't appreciate it, and a bunch of loot given away to players for nothing but grief. I joined that guild BiS pre-VP, and I left it the exact same way. Plenty of others can tell you the exact same thing.

Several things prevented us from moving forward, though, including (and this is Lite's and Heartbrand's bad) posting logs of Heartbrand trying to play both sides. Lite's intention was to hurt the guild. I guess he wanted all of our players (and now, strangely, doesn't), or he just misinterpreted what we were doing with Nihilum and wanted us dead. I don't really know. Heartbrand over-extended and got caught, terminating any agreements that we previously had. He admittedly knows this. He fucked up... bad.

But we were still on our way to a three guild thing before all of that happened.

Keep this is mind, though: if Azrael is not the guild to use numbers in order to contest (especially come Velious), then step the fuck back and let someone else who's willing do it. Be your little hit squad all you want, but don't brand yourselves as the premiere guild to contest when you aren't or simply can't do it.

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[heartbrand]

Originally Posted by Buhbuh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I haven't gotten through the whole thread yet, because I wanted to stop on this point.

Azrael are being the disingenuous ones.

You guys have to stop projecting that you're the only option against Nihilum and let a 3rd guild work itself out. Don't shit all over a guild if it ends up working with Nihilum to better stand alone in the future, and don't try to poach members you ultimately don't want.

Red Dawn, at least from my point of view as an officer, wasn't going to be merging with Nihilum at any point, or even going to be friends with them after all the help. And I think even from their point of view, they liked having a third guild present to contest against shit. It certainly made the tension/ outcome more dynamic. I liked it more, personally. You guys went full retard on the boards and in ooc (just like you do now, as you always have at any point in time on the server) and called us nuthuggers, scumbags, etc etc.

The point of it all from our perspective was to become a force of well geared mains as quickly as possible for the release of Velious so that we wouldn't have something like we do now. You guys knew deep down that all our good or knowledgeable players would go Nihilum if the guild crumbled, and yet you actively sought it out after we began working with Nihilum. Yes, we helped them destroy you guys on several occasions. And we were rewarded quite handsomely (not me personally).

You act like we were just in it for the loot, but the reality is that a good majority of us left that guild down hundreds of thousands of plat, countless hours wasted or spent on players who quit or clearly didn't/ don't appreciate it, and a bunch of loot given away to players for nothing but grief. I joined that guild BiS pre-VP, and I left it the exact same way. Plenty of others can tell you the exact same thing.

Several things prevented us from moving forward, though, including (and this is Lite's and Heartbrand's bad) posting logs of Heartbrand trying to play both sides. Lite's intention was to hurt the guild. I guess he wanted all of our players (and now, strangely, doesn't), or he just misinterpreted what we were doing with Nihilum and wanted us dead. I don't really know. Heartbrand over-extended and got caught, terminating any agreements that we previously had. He admittedly knows this. He fucked up... bad.

But we were still on our way to a three guild thing before all of that happened.

Keep this is mind, though: if Azrael is not the guild to use numbers in order to contest (especially come Velious), then step the fuck back and let someone else who's willing do it. Be your little hit squad all you want, but don't brand yourselves as the premiere guild to contest when you aren't or simply can't do it.

Great post. Yes, the discussion with lite was a fuck up. I still slightly defend myself only in the respect that it was basically over at that point anyway. Cyren great guy and would gladly lead with him in any other game or server again.

[Gaanon]

Originally Posted by Buhbuh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I haven't gotten through the whole thread yet, because I wanted to stop on this point.

Azrael are being the disingenuous ones.

You guys have to stop projecting that you're the only option against Nihilum and let a 3rd guild work itself out. Don't shit all over a guild if it ends up working with Nihilum to better stand alone in the future, and don't try to poach members you ultimately don't want.

Red Dawn, at least from my point of view as an officer, wasn't going to be merging with Nihilum at any point, or even going to be friends with them after all the help. And I think even from their point of view, they liked having a third guild present to contest against shit. It certainly made the tension/ outcome more dynamic. I liked it more, personally. You guys went full retard on the boards and in ooc (just like you do now, as you always have at any point in time on the server) and called us nuthuggers, scumbags, etc etc.

The point of it all from our perspective was to become a force of well geared mains as quickly as possible for the release of Velious so that we wouldn't have something like we do now. You guys knew deep down that all our good or knowledgeable players would go Nihilum if the guild crumbled, and yet you actively sought it out after we began working with Nihilum. Yes, we helped them destroy you guys on several occasions. And we were rewarded quite handsomely (not me personally).

You act like we were just in it for the loot, but the reality is that a good majority of us left that guild down hundreds of thousands of plat, countless hours wasted or spent on players who quit or clearly didn't/ don't appreciate it, and a bunch of loot given away to players for nothing but grief. I joined that guild BiS pre-VP, and I left it the exact same way. Plenty of others can tell you the exact same thing.

Several things prevented us from moving forward, though, including (and this is Lite's and Heartbrand's bad) posting logs of Heartbrand trying to play both sides. Lite's intention was to hurt the guild. I guess he wanted all of our players (and now, strangely, doesn't), or he just misinterpreted what we were doing with Nihilum and wanted us dead. I don't really know. Heartbrand over-extended and got caught, terminating any agreements that we previously had. He admittedly knows this. He fucked up... bad.

But we were still on our way to a three guild thing before all of that happened.

Keep this is mind, though: if Azrael is not the guild to use numbers in order to contest (especially come Velious), then step the fuck back and let someone else who's willing do it. Be your little hit squad all you want, but don't brand yourselves as the premiere guild to contest when you aren't or simply can't do it.

What the fuck is all this shit and what does it have to do with simulated repops anyone able to read it for me.

[Buhbuh]

Originally Posted by Gaanon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What the fuck is all this shit and what does it have to do with simulated repops anyone able to read it for me.

It's the long version of:

You're bitching like a child for more competition while being complicit in dismantling it.


^ This is literally what a GM would say to you, and will continue to say to you.

Stop being a faggot and shut the fuck up already.

[Gaanon]

Originally Posted by Buhbuh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's the long version of:

You're bitching like a child for more competition while being complicit in dismantling it.


^ This is literally what a GM would say to you, and will continue to say to you.

Stop being a faggot and shut the fuck up already.

What does this have to do with me questioning why a GM implemented idea isn't working or being talked about.

You fucking clowns are hilarious, stop bleeding from your ass. This rule set allows for 1 guild, all of you furiously mashing your keys to keep it a 1 guild PVE box is laughable.

But it doesn't surprise me, Sharknado always were lil bitches even since Force lolol.

[Gaanon]

No, I'd say more like "OK it's almost been 3 years and the box has been 1 guild for 90% of the time and no guilds can stay and compete, maybe this isn't working"

I don't care about the pixels or winning, like I've repeated 100 times anyone can join Nihi, even you or Twainz, Sim repops was agreed upon already by GM's in their twitch, I'm not lobbying for something that wasn't already approved and acknowledged as needed previously.

[heartbrand]

Originally Posted by Gaanon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, I'd say more like "OK it's almost been 3 years and the box has been 1 guild for 90% of the time and no guilds can stay and compete, maybe this isn't working"

I don't care about the pixels or winning, like I've repeated 100 times anyone can join Nihi, even you or Twainz, Sim repops was agreed upon already by GM's in their twitch, I'm not lobbying for something that wasn't already approved and acknowledged as needed previously.

the reason no other guild can "compete" is because the number one recruiter for Nihilum has and always will be Lite. you guys continue to scare the playerbase away and turn them into new nihilum apps. wake the fuck up u moran. there are tons of people DYING for another option [see: red dawn 80 people @ gore], so stop crying 4 rule change

[Gaanon]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the reason no other guild can "compete" is because the number one recruiter for Nihilum has and always will be Lite. you guys continue to scare the playerbase away and turn them into new nihilum apps. wake the fuck up u moran. there are tons of people DYING for another option [see: red dawn 80 people @ gore], so stop crying 4 rule change

If there was 80 people that wanted to follow you and hate Lite where is your guild, you're being delusional and making excuses for why your guild failed.

Lite and Az didn't grief RD off the box, we wanted to work with you to fight Nihi.

If it were doable I think after 3 years someone would have, you've tried twice. It's not doable.