SO.. BUSH WAS AN IDIOT??

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Nuggie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd be a libertarian if they didn't require that stupid pledge about not rising up in force or whatever it was.

Not wanting to have a half trillion dollar war machine running during peacetime is something I actually understand about libertarians.

What about the complete disregard for the environment? Libertarians often have the audacity to say that under an unfettered free market, market forces and tort law will control pollution, contamination, excessive emissions, etc. Living in a coalsmoke saturated atmosphere reduces life expectancy by years, and yet we get corporate-funded deviousness like "clean coal" and "coal=jobs". It's really entertaining listening to the bullshit libertarians and far-right conservatives come up with in an attempt to make environmental policy that seems convincing.

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[Misto]

Originally Posted by radditsu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That shit was a cheney construct if I ever heard of one.


I tell you what right wing. Get over your conservative christian worldview and start to treat humans like things that deserve respect and compassion. I could really get behind a fiscally sound socially progressive party.

You sound like an idiot.

Human beings are dumb animals and do not deserve respect and compassion. That is earned.

Everyone is just lucky there are smart people like Tesla to invent shit.

[loramin]

Can't we all just agree that both parties are horrible? I don't care about your politics, if you have half a brain you've got to admit that Bush was a moron ... but at the same time you also have to admit that Obama's positions are indistinguishable from Bush's on many (most?) important issues.

Both parties are completely corrupt, and if you think otherwise you haven't been paying attention. Sure one side might be a little better than the other on any given issue, but until we take the money out of politics both are going to represent the interests of the rich and not of America.

Vote 3rd party in 2014!

[Kaym]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can't we all just agree that both parties are horrible? I don't care about your politics, if you have half a brain you've got to admit that Bush was a moron ... but at the same time you also have to admit that Obama's positions are indistinguishable from Bush's on many (most?) important issues.

Both parties are completely corrupt, and if you think otherwise you haven't been paying attention. Sure one side might be a little better than the other on any given issue, but until we take the money out of politics both are going to represent the interests of the rich and not of America.

Vote 3rd party in 2014!

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[Tasslehofp99]

Lol @ anyone who thinks a president has any real power or that hes the one in control


Corporations run America, elect presidents, and dictate federal law and policy.

[Nuggie]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can't we all just agree that both parties are horrible? I don't care about your politics, if you have half a brain you've got to admit that Bush was a moron ... but at the same time you also have to admit that Obama's positions are indistinguishable from Bush's on many (most?) important issues.

Both parties are completely corrupt, and if you think otherwise you haven't been paying attention. Sure one side might be a little better than the other on any given issue, but until we take the money out of politics both are going to represent the interests of the rich and not of America.

Vote 3rd party in 2014!

I agree with you on most parts.

However, what if they had found WMD in Iraq? Wouldn't he have been hailed as a hero? A savior of... somebody? Probably not the USA(how they going to realistically get it to us?), but somebody.

[mtb tripper]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can't we all just agree that both parties are horrible? I don't care about your politics, if you have half a brain you've got to admit that Bush was a moron ... but at the same time you also have to admit that Obama's positions are indistinguishable from Bush's on many (most?) important issues.

Both parties are completely corrupt, and if you think otherwise you haven't been paying attention. Sure one side might be a little better than the other on any given issue, but until we take the money out of politics both are going to represent the interests of the rich and not of America.

Vote 3rd party in 2014!

[Wonkie]

OP is right, Bush was pretty great.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-z2D9lo9-8

[loramin]

Back to the OP's list though, I gotta ask: is this really what you care about?

Originally Posted by phacemeltar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If George W. Bush had spent hundreds of thousands of dollars and used AF One to take Laura Bush to a play in NYC, would you have approved?

Presidents have lives, and they go places. When they do they take AF One; yes it costs money, but the secret service pretty much requires it. Do you really want a president who never leaves the White House except for official business?

Originally Posted by phacemeltar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If George W. Bush had reduced your retirement plan's holdings of GM stock by 90%and given the unions a majority stake in GM, would you have approved?

vs. having the company collapse and be worth nothing? Seems like 10% > 0%.

Originally Posted by phacemeltar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If George W. Bush had given Gordon Brown a set of inexpensive and incorrectly formatted DVD 's, when Gordon Brown had given him a thoughtful and historically significant gift, would you have approved?

If George W. Bush had given the Queen of England an iPod containing videos of his speeches, would you have thought this embarrassingly narcissistic and tacky?

Really, your judge of a president is what meaningless gifts he gives other heads of state? Really?

Originally Posted by phacemeltar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If George W. Bush had been so Spanish illiterate as to refer to "Cin co de Cuatro" in front of the Mexican ambassador when it was the fourth of May (Cuatro de Mayo), and continued to flub it when he tried again, would you have winced in embarrassment?

Really, the president's ability to speak Spanish is how you judge him?

Originally Posted by phacemeltar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If George W. Bush had mis-spelled the word advice would you have hammered him for it for years like Dan Quayle and potatoe as proof of what a dunce he is?

Again, the president's ability to spell is a big concern for you? Really?

Originally Posted by phacemeltar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If George W. Bush's administration had okayed Air Force One flying low over millions of people followed by a jet fighter in downtown Manhattan causing widespread panic, would you have wondered whether they actually get what happened on 9-11 and called him a total idiot!

I'm sure Obama told his pilot "go low and scare the fuck out of people" and that it had nothing to do with the advice of his pilot/secret service/etc.

Originally Posted by phacemeltar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If George W. Bush had been the first President to need a teleprompter installed to be able to get through a press conference, would you have laughed and said this is more proof of how inept he is on his own and is really controlled by smarter men behind the scenes?

Really? It matters whether a president uses a teleprompter like every other person on TV or not? Really?

Originally Posted by phacemeltar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If George W. Bush had taken out the missile defense system in favor of a smaller one that does not have proof it will work...would you call him an idiot?

C'mon: the old system didn't work either [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I mean, there are lots of really good reasons to dislike Obama: why waste your time caring about his spelling?

[phacemeltar]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Back to the OP's list though, I gotta ask: is this really what you care about?

yes, the intellect stat is quite important to me as a voter. wisdom is an equally important stat as well.

i guess it makes me feel better about myself to see the president publicly demonstrate that he is a human and capable of making mistakes, but i didnt vote for him based on the idea that he would do that. frankly, its embarrassing to be represented by him considering some of his actions.