PvP pnp policy clarification please (GMs, devs, guides?)

[Mac Drettj]

Fear is a tool a few classes have access to. Legit strats.

[hivemind]

Fear does not work on players and OP is wanting to not *allow* the use of it on pets or mobs either? What the hell?

[Softcore PK]

Sorry to bug staff and I'm sure you're all quite busy. There's no rush ofc, but would like a bit of clarification since everyone here is saying it was okay to fear NPCs and pets BEFORE the new pnp came in.

Is it really still okay to fear NPCs like this? Not a huge deal either way because it won't happen too often, but trains are wrong imo.

[Derubael]

Fearing of a pet, OOR of it's master: Not allowed (or even possible?)
Fearing of a pet, in range of it's master: Allowed
Fearing of an NPC someone is fighting, player OOR of caster: Not allowed
Fearing of an NPC someone is fighting, player in range of caster: Allowed*
Fearing NPC's near PvP targets: Not allowed. I would say this is OK if you intend to engage the mob, but who opens with Fear? Just don't do it. If you train someone you might get b& b&.

As always, all other forms of training are against the rules.

*Be aware that if you're going to fear a mob someone is fighting, you are responsible for the trains that mob brings. So if you fear someones target in Seb and it goes tearing off and brings back 50 friends, that's your train and you could be subject to disciplinary action. And don't /petition to the staff when your opponent gates out and drops that train right on top of you.

If a pet draws a train after being feared, that's no ones fault. The reason why a feared pet bringing a train being OK, while a feared npc bringing one is NOT, is because when you have a pet up you are assuming a certain amount of risk while someone else is in the area. The same could be said for fighting NPC's, of course, but where fighting an NPC is a fundamental and necessary part of the game, using a pet is not. Use them when others are around at your own risk.

Please note that the above statement does not mean it is "ok" to train with pets - it's only provided here under a very specific set of circumstances. Don't go fearing your guildies' pets to drop a train on another guild and then get mad when you reference this post and get raid suspended anyway. I doubt this disclaimer needs to be here but I'd rather not take any chances.

Originally Posted by Salaryman

Training is part of what gives depth to pvp, I would not have rolled the class I have month back, before PnP bs, if I knew this would be banned its an intergral part of EQ.
If you wanna ban trains in pvp might aswell disable monks, necros and sk because they become so much less usefull.

We had rules against training prior to the PnP going in. And with the exception of Necros, the classes you listed are already at the top of the PvP food chain without needing to train. So, yes, we do want to ban for trains, and always have. Don't do it.

[Tradesonred]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fearing of a pet, OOR of it's master: Not allowed (or even possible?)
Fearing of a pet, in range of it's master: Allowed
Fearing of an NPC someone is fighting, player OOR of caster: Not allowed
Fearing of an NPC someone is fighting, player in range of caster: Allowed*
Fearing NPC's near PvP targets: Not allowed. I would say this is OK if you intend to engage the mob, but who opens with Fear? Just don't do it. If you train someone you might get b& b&.

As always, all other forms of training are against the rules.

*Be aware that if you're going to fear a mob someone is fighting, you are responsible for the trains that mob brings. So if you fear someones target in Seb and it goes tearing off and brings back 50 friends, that's your train and you could be subject to disciplinary action. And don't /petition to the staff when your opponent gates out and drops that train right on top of you.

If a pet draws a train after being feared, that's no ones fault. The reason why a feared pet bringing a train being OK, while a feared npc bringing one is NOT, is because when you have a pet up you are assuming a certain amount of risk while someone else is in the area. The same could be said for fighting NPC's, of course, but where fighting an NPC is a fundamental and necessary part of the game, using a pet is not. Use them when others are around at your own risk.

Please note that the above statement does not mean it is "ok" to train with pets - it's only provided here under a very specific set of circumstances. Don't go fearing your guildies' pets to drop a train on another guild and then get mad when you reference this post and get raid suspended anyway. I doubt this disclaimer needs to be here but I'd rather not take any chances.



We had rules against training prior to the PnP going in. And with the exception of Necros, the classes you listed are already at the top of the PvP food chain without needing to train. So, yes, we do want to ban for trains, and always have. Don't do it.

all these clarifications should be stickied and compiled on top

[Bazia]

Not to be a douche or anything but the old policy was definitely that fearing NPCs was allowed even if they created trains and the person didn't have to be in range.

Pretty ridiculous how long that was allowed to happen.

[Mac Drettj]

Fearing of an NPC someone is fighting, player in range of caster: Allowed*

- but the fear-er is going to get banned for training? I don't get it...

It's the responsibility of the pet owner to dispell the fear or 'pet go away' on his pet. Plain and simple.

[R Flair]

Originally Posted by Mac Drettj [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fearing of an NPC someone is fighting, player in range of caster: Allowed*

- but the fear-er is going to get banned for training? I don't get it...

It's the responsibility of the pet owner to dispell the fear or 'pet go away' on his pet. Plain and simple.

This is correct. You cant exactly say something is OK, but then say you will punish a player because the pet owner was careless or inept. Any player with a pet that isn't ready at all times to dispel or release it while in hostile areas deserves to die.

[Azure]

Fearing a mob to intentionally cause exp loss is still intentionally causing exp loss. Can it happen, does it happen. Yes.

But doing it because your OOR and mad, or bad and trying to cause exp loss is a violation of the PnP. If your going to at least try to seriously kill a player and YT them. Sure Fear mobs away.

But don't be a fucking slathar and fear mobs while levid up on the top of CoM with every intention of feighning off the agro after the players are trained/zone. Especially if your OOR.

I mean, u can do it, but players like me will tell the whole world we think ur dumb and boring to play with.

[Softcore PK]

Thank you, Derubael.