The New TMO

[Youlath]

Originally Posted by HeallunRumblebelly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If TMO had more than 2 representatives, I'd agree with this. But it'd be pretty fucking obvious and we'd have to forfeit the mob, and we're not fucking retarded, so we don't.

Also, FTE spam is literally the worst the server has ever been. That shit has got to stop on all sides and I don't think it's going to happen without GM intervention, though.

yeah no, it's pretty bad but nothing is worse than poopsocking a raidforce on top of a mob with no engage shout with 72 hour windows

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by Youlath [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yeah no, it's pretty bad but nothing is worse than poopsocking a raidforce on top of a mob with no engage shout with 72 hour windows

Eh, except it was rarely that bad. Usually only last 8 hours of 96 hour windows or 4-6 of 48 hour windows. When people started socking during the early days of window extension though (vs, mostly) shit was brutal though.

[Erydan Ouragan]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because using an I guilded person allows you to more easily circumvent the rule. Example:

TMO, IB have 1 player each tracking. And there are 20 unguilded players tracking. There can only be 1 FTEer, so whoever gets the FTE, if they are unguilded, you guild invite them real quick. And the other 19 unguilded just camp out.

You can't really prove association with the other 19 unguilded who camp out, so technically no one broke any rules.

Somewhat of a stretch but I don't see it beyond people having a few unguilded and one guilded tracker and if your unguilded get FTE, you just tag them.

Really though, the whole FTE business is retarded.


Outdoor dragons should be able to spawn at anywhere along their pathing nodes
Trackers who are in zone on pop shouldn't be able to FTE

Those two changes would help a bit with the dragons being engaged with autofire jav macros and people chain clicking for 15min.

I understand, makes more sense now, thanks for explaining that.

I just disagree with the part in bold, though. I'm pretty sure GMs have more than enough tools to check what's what in that particular scenario. 19 unguilded characters, in the same zone, logging out simultaneously after a raid target pops would be like neon-flashing arrows for them in their logs.

So in my opinion, the correct course of action would have been to back off, petition, and then let the GM sort it out. If any unfair advantage was gained by a guild, GMs will take appropriate action.

In that case, i'd rather lose a shot at a kill. Dragons will always repop.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by Erydan Ouragan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I understand, makes more sense now, thanks for explaining that.

I just disagree with the part in bold, though. I'm pretty sure GMs have more than enough tools to check what's what in that particular scenario. 19 unguilded characters, in the same zone, logging out simultaneously after a raid target pops would be like neon-flashing arrows for them in their logs.

So in my opinion, the correct course of action would have been to back off, petition, and then let the GM sort it out. If any unfair advantage was gained by a guild, GMs will take appropriate action.

In that case, i'd rather lose a shot at a kill. Dragons will always repop.

except for it's bullshit. we've traced / compared ip's in the past. logs are taken on engage to see who was there, even if immediate /q. Fuck, we've done this in the past even when there's more than 2 reps past the entrance if we have good fraps of the fucking entrance of vp.

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[HeallunRumblebelly]

Our entire guild could show up without a tag. Irrelevant. If the FTE'r brought us the mob and we killed it, he could choose whether it was a legit kill or not or claim KS.

[Daldaen]

Yes, you didn't this time.

There were 2 unguilded people trying to FTE on Faydedar yesterday -- Throughout the day, there weren't 2 there at the time he spawned and was engaged --. Were both the unguilded mage and bard with TMO?

What is stopping you from having them both there as well as 1 guilded TMO tracker? If 1 of the unguilded gets FTE, you tag and claim them as yours, the other pretends to know nothing about TMO. The practice of having unguilded trackers/pullers is just unnecessary. Why do you not have these characters tagged? You were able to log in 30+ toons within several minutes after Fay spawned, why couldn't one of them logged in before the unguilded person started tracking to tag them. Surely 1 or 2 officer tags were present. If not... promote moar of your alts.

But yea we desperately need something to make the FTE spam less shitty. Cause without a macro/autofire program, you may as well not bother trying.

My 2 suggestions would help and I can't really imagine why people would be opposed to it. It gives more of a race feel. Having to actually track the mob, find it up (for outdoor dragons), then run someone out there to pull it. Rather than spamming a jav for 16 hours, sitting on spawn points with pets and such.

Dragons having a fixed spawn point along their pathing, I doubt is classic. I'm betting that was something that was randomized on live. But obviously, this is impossible to prove.

Really wish someone in the legit guild discussion forum would start a topic on these 2 issues.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, you didn't this time.

There were 2 unguilded people trying to FTE on Faydedar yesterday -- Throughout the day, there weren't 2 there at the time he spawned and was engaged --. Were both the unguilded mage and bard with TMO?

What is stopping you from having them both there as well as 1 guilded TMO tracker? If 1 of the unguilded gets FTE, you tag and claim them as yours, the other pretends to know nothing about TMO. The practice of having unguilded trackers/pullers is just unnecessary. Why do you not have these characters tagged? You were able to log in 30+ toons within several minutes after Fay spawned, why couldn't one of them logged in before the unguilded person started tracking to tag them. Surely 1 or 2 officer tags were present. If not... promote moar of your alts.

But yea we desperately need something to make the FTE spam less shitty. Cause without a macro/autofire program, you may as well not bother trying.

My 2 suggestions would help and I can't really imagine why people would be opposed to it. It gives more of a race feel. Having to actually track the mob, find it up (for outdoor dragons), then run someone out there to pull it. Rather than spamming a jav for 16 hours, sitting on spawn points with pets and such.

Dragons having a fixed spawn point along their pathing, I doubt is classic. I'm betting that was something that was randomized on live. But obviously, this is impossible to prove.

Really wish someone in the legit guild discussion forum would start a topic on these 2 issues.

Because people who the zone and have logs on when shit is pulled. Encounter logs prove this. We've traced IPs in the past for this kind of shit if too many representatives are suspected, mobs have been forfeited and suspensions handled down. It's like you don't even raid here :P

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by HeallunRumblebelly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because people who the zone and have logs on when shit is pulled. Encounter logs prove this. We've traced IPs in the past for this kind of shit if too many representatives are suspected, mobs have been forfeited and suspensions handled down. It's like you don't even raid here :P

Don't raid Class C stuff here for sure! Never heard of this happening before. So you're saying that people have used 3+ people, some of whom are unguilded, for face tracking?

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't raid Class C stuff here for sure! Never heard of this happening before. So you're saying that people have used 3+ people, some of whom are unguilded, for face tracking?

It's been an issue of having more than 3 past the zone in VP. When tortue left TMO and before joining IB, he'd often be past the zone in with mobs in window. There was some question of whether he would count as IB or not. And surprise surprise, he's now in IB.

Also, with pet pulling being a thing, they usually require a train up given the see invis situation to place the pet, which would cause 3 to be past zone in and a forfeiture of the spawn if it had spawned during that window. It's funny, too, had we not used an idol + shm FD ring to set redgar on SW yesterday we would've had to forfeit SW given the time he spawned. Heallun saving the day bringing extra idols -- yer welcome :P

[Frogie305]

Originally Posted by HeallunRumblebelly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's been an issue of having more than 3 past the zone in VP. When tortue left TMO and before joining IB, he'd often be past the zone in with mobs in window. There was some question of whether he would count as IB or not. And surprise surprise, he's now in IB.

Also, with pet pulling being a thing, they usually require a train up given the see invis situation to place the pet, which would cause 3 to be past zone in and a forfeiture of the spawn if it had spawned during that window. It's funny, too, had we not used an idol + shm FD ring to set redgar on SW yesterday we would've had to forfeit SW given the time he spawned. Heallun saving the day bringing extra idols -- yer welcome :P

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