AOW + Defensive - Page 3

Daldaen · #1 05-09-2014, 12:47 PM

I recall them using shields during AoW... Perhaps those AoW runs were during PoP though...

Even still, warriors aren't hitting the hardcap here with current gear, they would need a shield to hit it no?

And 2-handers, while a reduction in ripostes, almost none provide a proc to help hold aggro. There's one from NToV iirc.

koros · #2 05-09-2014, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I recall them using shields during AoW... Perhaps those AoW runs were during PoP though...

Even still, warriors aren't hitting the hardcap here with current gear, they would need a shield to hit it no?

And 2-handers, while a reduction in ripostes, almost none provide a proc to help hold aggro. There's one from NToV iirc.

http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=31305

is actually a pretty solid tanking weapon vs very strong targets, but unless you wanna blow mallets or something on every mob you'd be better off with SoDs vs most things.

People will hit ac hardcap if they aren't already very quickly into velious. It's a lot lower than you'd think. I believe it was 289 worn? It's on the forums somewhere.

Splorf22 · #3 05-09-2014, 12:55 PM

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People will hit ac hardcap if they aren't already very quickly into velious. It's a lot lower than you'd think. I believe it was 289 worn? It's on the forums somewhere.

We will have a softcap here. The devs don't want to retune mobs vs a hardcap.

Daldaen · #4 05-09-2014, 01:03 PM

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http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=31305

is actually a pretty solid tanking weapon vs very strong targets, but unless you wanna blow mallets or something on every mob you'd be better off with SoDs vs most things.

People will hit ac hardcap if they aren't already very quickly into velious. It's a lot lower than you'd think. I believe it was 289 worn? It's on the forums somewhere.

That's the one I was thinking. And I thought the warrior cap was higher than that. That looks low for warrior.

How I remember it going down was tanks would use DW until defensive dropped then they would swap to 1h / shield to extend their tanking and save the tank swap as long as possible. More specifically due to most guilds having a main tank who was best geared and a only a few other decent geared tanks. Forcing you to ride out your MT as long as possible, since he had a decent chance of survival even without defensive.

koros · #5 05-09-2014, 01:08 PM

ele - take out the bash/kick hits for 236, 255, and 259.

276 is min under defensive which is why there's a spike there.

254 + (45/2) = 276 rounded down

Ele · #6 05-09-2014, 12:52 PM

Cleaned up to show only AOW swings from Faz's post, Flurries aren't identified with a text prompt in the original parse for some reason.

Test - vs - The Avatar of War
Attempts 101 100%
Missed 14 13.86%
Dodged 4 3.96%
Parried 6 5.94%
Blocked 0 0%
Riposted 6 5.94%
Absorbed 0 0%
4 1 0.99%
236 1 0.99%
255 1 0.99%
259 2 1.98%
276 7 6.93%
299 2 1.98%
321 2 1.98%
344 1 0.99%
366 2 1.98%
389 2 1.98%
411 1 0.99%
434 4 3.96%
456 1 0.99%
501 2 1.98%
524 2 1.98%
546 2 1.98%
569 1 0.99%
591 3 2.97%
614 4 3.96%
636 2 1.98%
659 3 2.97%
681 1 0.99%
704 24 23.76%

Tanking summary for: Test --- Total damage: 37408 --- Avg hit: 526 --- Swings: 101 --- Defended: 16 (15.8%) --- Hit: 71 (70.3%) --- Missed: 14 (13.9%) --- Accuracy: 83.5% --- Dodged: 4 (4.5%) --- Parried: 6 (5.9%) --- Blocked: 0 (0%) --- Riposted: 6 (6.3%) --- Absorbed: 0 (0%)

[Mon Mar 18 19:50:22 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:22 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but YOUR magical skin absorbs the blow!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:22 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but YOUR magical skin absorbs the blow!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:22 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but YOU riposte!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:22 2002] The Avatar of War bashes YOU for 236 points of damage.

[Mon Mar 18 19:50:23 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but YOU parry!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:23 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 614 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:23 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 704 points of damage.

[Mon Mar 18 19:50:25 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 614 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:25 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 704 points of damage.

[Mon Mar 18 19:50:27 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:27 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:27 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 704 points of damage.

[Mon Mar 18 19:50:29 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:29 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 389 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:29 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 276 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:29 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but YOU parry!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:29 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:30 2002] The Avatar of War tries to bash YOU, but misses!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:30 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but YOU riposte!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:30 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 704 points of damage.

[Mon Mar 18 19:50:32 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 276 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:32 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:32 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:32 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 704 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:32 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 704 points of damage.

[Mon Mar 18 19:50:34 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but YOU parry!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:34 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 344 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:34 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:34 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 681 points of damage.

[Mon Mar 18 19:50:36 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 704 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:36 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 591 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:37 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 524 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:37 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 704 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:37 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 434 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:37 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 659 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:38 2002] The Avatar of War tries to bash YOU, but misses!

[Mon Mar 18 19:50:39 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 636 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:39 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but YOU parry!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:39 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 704 points of damage.

[Mon Mar 18 19:50:41 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 591 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:41 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but YOU riposte!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:41 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 704 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:41 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 546 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:42 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:42 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 704 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:42 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:42 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 501 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:42 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 704 points of damage.

[Mon Mar 18 19:50:44 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 276 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:44 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:44 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 704 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:44 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 276 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:44 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 659 points of damage.

[Mon Mar 18 19:50:46 2002] The Avatar of War bashes YOU for 259 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:46 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 389 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:46 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 659 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:46 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 704 points of damage.

[Mon Mar 18 19:50:48 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:48 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but YOU riposte!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:48 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 704 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:49 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 276 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:49 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but YOU parry!

[Mon Mar 18 19:50:50 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 321 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:51 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 704 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:51 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 299 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:51 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but YOU parry!

[Mon Mar 18 19:50:53 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 704 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:53 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but YOU riposte!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:54 2002] The Avatar of War kicks YOU for 255 points of damage.

[Mon Mar 18 19:50:55 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 4 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:55 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:55 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 434 points of damage.

[Mon Mar 18 19:50:57 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 704 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:57 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 704 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:57 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:57 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 704 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:58 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 704 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:58 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 434 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:58 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but YOU riposte!
[Mon Mar 18 19:50:58 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 366 points of damage.

[Mon Mar 18 19:51:00 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 524 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:00 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 434 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:00 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 456 points of damage.

[Mon Mar 18 19:51:02 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 704 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:02 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 321 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:02 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 299 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:02 2002] The Avatar of War bashes YOU for 259 points of damage.

[Mon Mar 18 19:51:04 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 569 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:04 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 276 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:04 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 276 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:04 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 614 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:04 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 704 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:05 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 704 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:05 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:05 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 546 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:05 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 591 points of damage.

[Mon Mar 18 19:51:08 2002] The Avatar of War tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:08 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 501 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:08 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 614 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:09 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 411 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:09 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 366 points of damage.
[Mon Mar 18 19:51:09 2002] The Avatar of War slashes YOU for 636 points of damage.

pasi · #7 05-09-2014, 12:54 PM

It was a mix of shield AC not being different from regular AC, AC being hardcapped easily, warriors needing DW for threat, no good shields, and no shield AAs.

Daldaen · #8 05-09-2014, 12:57 PM

Yep my memory was wrong. I was thinking PoP era. Definitely remember warriors using shield on General Rape, Hebbabylis and Rallos Zek (time). It made a pretty big tanking and aggro difference that you had to compensate for.

Guess not so classic.

pasi · #9 05-09-2014, 01:11 PM

So things that are off about Avatar of War:

1) DI and DB. DI should be 45 and DB should be 254.
2) Attack Speed appears to be too fast.
3) Kick and Bash damage is using the DI here. It should basically just hit for the mob's DB (254+ an insignificant amount more).

Fazlazen · #10 05-09-2014, 04:57 PM

More (although a very short log) of AoW fight:

Here's the relevant snippet from my log. I missed a mini CH for 433 hp when I scrolled back up after dying, which is why I thought something went wrong. Truth is, he kicked the shit out of my with a flurry. =/ The two rounds between the CH and my death was 6831 damage (that's subtracting heals I got in between). I have 6408 hp. You'll notice Andelia's heal was about 1 second from landing on me in Daebola's log. *sigh*

[Tue Apr 02 17:53:01 2002] You have been healed for 3622 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:01 2002] You are completely healed.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:01 2002] Hester begins to cast a spell.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:01 2002] You slash The Avatar of War for 43 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:01 2002] You slash The Avatar of War for 64 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:02 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 150 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:02 2002] The Avatar of War hits YOU for 704 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:02 2002] You slash The Avatar of War for 91 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:02 2002] The Avatar of War tries to hit YOU, but YOU riposte!
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:02 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 150 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:02 2002] The Avatar of War hits YOU for 569 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:02 2002] Allis begins to cast a spell.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:02 2002] You have been healed for 385 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:02 2002] You are blasted with chlorophyll.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:03 2002] The Avatar of War staggers from a blow to the head.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:03 2002] Malkery begins to cast a spell.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:03 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 150 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:03 2002] The Avatar of War hits YOU for 389 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:03 2002] You try to slash The Avatar of War, but The Avatar of War ripostes!
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:03 2002] Jonekn begins to cast a spell.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:03 2002] Carai begins to cast a spell.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:03 2002] Fonzi begins to cast a spell.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:03 2002] Areanna begins to cast a spell.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:03 2002] You have been healed for 459 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:03 2002] Your wounds fade.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:03 2002] The Avatar of War tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:03 2002] The Avatar of War tries to hit YOU, but YOU parry!
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:03 2002] The Avatar of War tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:03 2002] You have been healed for 385 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:03 2002] You are blasted with chlorophyll.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:04 2002] Gaash begins to cast a spell.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:04 2002] You have been healed for 433 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:04 2002] You are completely healed.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:04 2002] Lareale begins to cast a spell.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:04 2002] You kick The Avatar of War for 12 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:04 2002] Claedeus begins to cast a spell.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:05 2002] You are blasted with chlorophyll.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:05 2002] You are more alert.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:05 2002] You slash The Avatar of War for 36 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:05 2002] You slash The Avatar of War for 36 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:05 2002] Sinlainu begins to cast a spell.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:05 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 150 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:05 2002] The Avatar of War hits YOU for 524 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:05 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 150 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:05 2002] The Avatar of War hits YOU for 546 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:05 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 150 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:05 2002] The Avatar of War hits YOU for 276 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:05 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 150 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:05 2002] The Avatar of War hits YOU for 636 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:05 2002] Dualdor has been infused with the power of an Avatar.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:06 2002] Ryanosky Scores a critical hit!(18)
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:06 2002] The Avatar of War's body is rent by vicious arcs of electricity.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:06 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 150 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:06 2002] You are stunned!
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:06 2002] The Avatar of War bashes YOU for 255 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:06 2002] You have been healed for 459 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:06 2002] Your wounds fade.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:06 2002] Heii begins to cast a spell.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:07 2002] You have been healed for 385 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:07 2002] You are blasted with chlorophyll.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:07 2002] Heklar begins to cast a spell.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:07 2002] Dualdor's body is covered with a soft glow.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:07 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 150 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:07 2002] The Avatar of War hits YOU for 636 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:07 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 150 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:07 2002] The Avatar of War hits YOU for 524 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:07 2002] The Avatar of War executes a FLURRY of attacks on Durus!
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:07 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 150 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:07 2002] The Avatar of War hits YOU for 704 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:07 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 150 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:07 2002] The Avatar of War hits YOU for 659 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:07 2002] Durus goes into a berserker frenzy!
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:07 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 150 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:07 2002] The Avatar of War bashes YOU for 257 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:07 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 150 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:07 2002] The Avatar of War hits YOU for 704 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:07 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 150 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:07 2002] The aura fades.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:07 2002] The Avatar of War hits YOU for 591 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:07 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 150 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:07 2002] The Avatar of War hits YOU for 659 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:07 2002] The Avatar of War was hit by non-melee for 150 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:07 2002] You can't attack while stunned!
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:07 2002] The Avatar of War hits YOU for 704 points of damage.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:07 2002] You have been slain by The Avatar of War!
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:09 2002] Returning to home point, please wait...
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:09 2002] You disband your party.
[Tue Apr 02 17:53:09 2002] LOADING, PLEASE WAIT...