Rogues

[Supaskillz]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Over hyped casual raider weapon.

Thornstinger is what we are talking about.

Funny that it's overhyped when most rogues just don't use theirs. Way to get a dig in at casual eq players though.

@ Juevento your groups have way more push than mine if you have to always keep hand on hand on mouse to be properly positioned.

[Cecily]

That's not a dig, it's a description. TS doesn't perform as well as VP offhands. Casuals don't have VP offhands.
It's a nice soloing and tanking weapon, but I really don't care for it as a raiding weapon.

[Donruss]

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[Daldaen]

Why in the flying fuck would you use anything but RB in primary during Kunark?

[Yinikren]

Because the lower delay on a Thornstinger means that with the mainhand damage bonus it outdamages a Ragebringer in mainhand, no problem.

[Daldaen]

Except that you have to have Efreeti war spear on your cursor and swap it in every Backstab?

[Sckrilla]

I did a lot of extensive DPS trials with CE & Baxter back in the day when not many Rogues had either TS or RSSS. TS in MH - RSSS in OF, RB MH - RSSS OH, TS MH - RB OH, etc.

TS MH - RSSS OH (assuming you had Sky belt or GSB's) was pretty equal to sustained DPS you'd see with RB MH - RSSS OH; swapping in RB for TS for backstabs decreased DPS in the long run. So with that being said, most VP geared Rogues are going to roll with RB/RSSS and non-VP geared Rogues that have the capability of obtaining a TS should roll it MH with RB OH. Too lazy and preoccupied during raid encounters to bother with ever wanting to switch in and out weapons to begin with.

I miss having TS in MH, RSSS OH and RB in Ranged. =\

[Sckrilla]

Originally Posted by Sckrilla [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TS MH - RSSS OH (assuming you had Sky belt or GSB's) was pretty equal to sustained DPS you'd see with RB MH - RSSS OH

Hay guyz, neato!

[Supaskillz]

Originally Posted by Sckrilla [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hay guyz, neato!

Bs mechanics have changed several times. Was said parsing under current mechanics?

Also I assume this was with rb in range. Now you lose atk bonus from rb which sucks

[Sckrilla]

Originally Posted by Supaskillz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bs mechanics have changed several times. Was said parsing under current mechanics?

Also I assume this was with rb in range. Now you lose atk bonus from rb which sucks

I wasn't aware BS mechanics have been changed several times, where is this located at? These parses were March/April 2012ish however so definitely quite some time ago. The parses we did to compare TS vs RB in MH and RSSS in OH did not have RB in the Range but like I said were done with either Sky Belt or Grey Suede Boots (41% haste). When RB was able to be utilized in Range, TS/RSSS/RB combo was top DPS, no questions asked.

Originally Posted by Supaskillz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We are talking small differences here anyway

My quote was mainly directed at this comment because as I have told numerous other Rogues, via our parses, the RB vs TS MH debate was pretty much a wash with the appropriate haste(s) items/same OH. We'd see either or come out higher than the other almost equally enough times to call it a minimal difference.

Originally Posted by Yinikren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, weapon delay gets goofed a bit when you swap to a high damage mainhand for a backstab, and doesn't reset until after the next swing. If you swap to an efreeti war spear (15/40? I am at work) for a backstab, then swap back to a TS, your next mainhand swing occurs at 40 delay, not 18, losing you out on dps.

^^this; hence why I said we actually saw a significant decrease in DPS when switching in the RB for the TS for backstabs.