New map desktop app coming soon (as long as it's still kosher with p99 rules)

[Leeyuuduu]

Also, the staff have explicitly gotten rid of maps on P99, whereas they've never taken any explicit action on damage parsers I believe. I don't think it has as much to do with reading log files or method of gathering such information as it does with their vision of Classic EQ.

It's a cool tool though (but I personally won't use it even if it's legal).

[tristantio]

When making the auction tracker, Nilbog/Rogean did OK that parsing the log files was ok - however if this type of app is too much against the classic spirit, I'd be happy to stop it.

Technically this app is classic though, because I could have written the exact same app in 99 (had I been where I am now in my programming abilities) [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[TWDL_Prexus]

Originally Posted by Kika Maslyaka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you do realize that exactly same thing could be said about:

-actual in-game maps
-compass
-Luclin models
-spell sets

Yet all of them were disabled. I wonder why?

Those weren't in game at this time. This isn't in the game. There were parsers back then.

Originally Posted by tristantio [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Technically this app is classic though, because I could have written the exact same app in 99 (had I been where I am now in my programming abilities) [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Kika Maslyaka]

Originally Posted by TWDL_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Those weren't in game at this time. This isn't in the game. There were parsers back then.

So was boxing.

But I get it, its the "technicality" [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
But if technicality can break the "spirit" of the project's intent, then its no longer just a technicality. You may as well turn the in-game maps back on.

[TWDL_Prexus]

Originally Posted by Kika Maslyaka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So was boxing.

But, I get its the "technicality" [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
But if technicality can break the "spirit" of the project's intent, then its no longer just a technicality. You may as well turn the in-game maps back on.

I am really unsure how boxing(which was classic, and I used 2 pc's to box during Velious but really has no place on p1999) compares to this. Especially because this doesn't alter peoples game play, nor effect the game play of others. Something boxing would do.

[tristantio]

I think boxing limitations have more to do with hardware and resources and the complete lack of barrier to entry (to 6 box) as was present back in the day.

If you figure half the population would 6 box (if allowed) you'd see the server population balloon from ~1000 a night to at least ~4000 a night (then more if the remaining 500 non six boxers just boxed a single extra toon).

Boxing would be something that was allowed back in the day, but has special caveats here (whether hardware related, or to simulate the classic feel, or just to distinguish the server from all the other emu servers where people run around with 6 on auto follow).

Whether you like it or not, this app is no different than a damage parser or the auction tracker, they both read the /log file and do something with the available data outside of the game.

Also in game maps being disabled has more to do with disabling bigger cheat programs that hook into the in game maps than what is/isn't classic (if I had to guess).

Red people against this likely don't use my auction tracker (unless also playing on blue), but I wonder how many bluebies against the map program happily look for items on the auction tracker despite it being "not classic"?

[Supaskillz]

My comp prolly explode in 2000 if I tried to do anything while playing eq. Open a map you got to be kidding!

[sox7d]

I think it's a cool project, but imo, it shits on the atmosphere of the game and would be too tempting to use and kind of unfair for people who refuse to use it... Whatever, love the auction tracker, though.

[HawkMasterson1999]

Originally Posted by tristantio [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is it any worse than a damage parser or other tool that analyzes the contents of the /log file though?

Originally Posted by Pint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, being able to see where every player in a zone is in real time is worse than seeing how much damage they did post fight. That assumes that most players will use it though, I would use it if it's legal, like I said its a cool idea.

Originally Posted by sox7d [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think it's a cool project, but imo, it shits on the atmosphere of the game and would be too tempting to use and kind of unfair for people who refuse to use it... Whatever, love the auction tracker, though.

Its like if you tell your kid he can't smoke weed so he smokes salvia or spice instead. It sounds like a cool tracking app but it has no place here on a classic server. The Devs should just go ahead and disable all log parsing. I don't want to see any more of these "legal hax"

[Frug]

Originally Posted by HawkMasterson1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Its like if you tell your kid he can't smoke weed so he smokes salvia or spice instead. It sounds like a cool tracking app but it has no place here on a classic server. The Devs should just go ahead and disable all log parsing. I don't want to see any more of these "legal hax"

If it's legal, it's not a "hax". And the only way to turn off log parsing is to turn of the ability to log which is ridiculous.