Forced Rotation Isn't Classic

[Pyrocat]

Originally Posted by Wenai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Every server had different guidelines for following raids. Some servers (apparently) were allowed to just zerg raid targets and whoever got the kill got it. Some servers operated under a guild-enforced rotation. Others just respected each other and let guilds who got there first take the target.

My point is, all of the situations you listed are classic, but GM enforced rotation NEVER happened on live.

The most fair way to handle it would be to ignore the situation entirely from a GMs perspective. Yes it will result in leapfrogging, yes it will possibly result in killstealing, but it's a preferably alternatively to 4 guilds each waiting 1 month for their naggy kill and their CT kill, which WILL happen if we folllow classic timeline for kunark coming out in one year.

[Wenai]

Originally Posted by Pyrocat [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My point is, all of the situations you listed are classic, but GM enforced rotation NEVER happened on live.

The most fair way to handle it would be to ignore the situation entirely from a GMs perspective. Yes it will result in leapfrogging, yes it will possibly result in killstealing, but it's a preferably alternatively to 4 guilds each waiting 1 month for their naggy kill and their CT kill, which WILL happen if we folllow classic timeline for kunark coming out in one year.

Then I suggest Otto and Allizia start hammering out an alternative method.

[Nizzarr]

Hello, im a member of a 10 man guild and we'd like to be on rotation for Nagafen, Vox and dracoliche( lol we suck too much for cazic thule!)

Can you please help us out?

[Pyrocat]

The problem is Transcedence will benefit from the lack of competition, because they were not getting 50% of the boss mobs previously. Now they are. They will keep that up until they're all proper geared and until they start having to share their spawns with another lower guild. Then they'll say "oh, no, we want to go back to competition" as soon as it doesn't suit them.

That's the problem most of IB has with this situation. It's fair only to one side, and that side will dump the "solution" as soon as they start feeling the heat of 3rd place.

[Reiker]

Originally Posted by Wenai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Quote:This is classic, classic was all about assembling your raid forces at a moments notice

True. But this isn't what was happening here.

Are you kidding me? You obviously don't even know what's going on. Inglourious Basterds have been the first in Plane of Fear every single time. We've cleared the plane multiple times while Transcendence has barely killed any mobs in there. Immediately after the patch came up we called and texted our members and got 20+ people online at noon on a tuesday. We fucking put in the work for this Plane while Transcendence was still camping manastones in Guk. But now they get an equal shot for being scrubs?

Are you going to explain why you're implementing biased, NON-CLASSIC rules at your whim? I've been asking for an explanation for weeks but you can't come up with any besides "stop QQing."

This is really fucking unprofessional and you really need to go, man. If you worked 10x harder than some scrub guild and then they came along and GMs gave them anything they wanted you'd be pissed too so take you WoW terminology and your WoW "everyone should get a shot!" mentality, pack your bags, and take it back to WoW. This is EverQuest. There is supposed to be competition. You just don't fit here.

[Wenai]

Originally Posted by Pyrocat [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The problem is Transcedence will benefit from the lack of competition, because they were not getting 50% of the boss mobs previously. Now they are. They will keep that up until they're all proper geared and until they start having to share their spawns with another lower guild. Then they'll say "oh, no, we want to go back to competition" as soon as it doesn't suit them.

That's the problem most of IB has with this situation. It's fair only to one side, and that side will dump the "solution" as soon as they start feeling the heat of 3rd place.

I disagree 100%. Under the previous system, IB was not going to be able to compete with showing up to mobs 14 hours in advance. They had over two groups there for 14 hours straight. It was seriously heading towards IB never... ever... getting another raid target. I think that is the thing that IB isn't seeing right now. Under the previous system whoever had the force there first got to claim the spawn. They would have claimed every raid spawn.

[Nizzarr]

New rotation rules: 2 hours after spawn of mob, 1 try(if other guild is waiting). If you cant comply with those rules then you lose this spawn and next one

[Nizzarr]

Originally Posted by Wenai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I disagree 100%. Under the previous system, IB was not going to be able to compete with showing up to mobs 14 hours in advance. They had over two groups there for 14 hours straight. It was seriously heading towards IB never... ever... getting another raid target. I think that is the thing that IB isn't seeing right now. Under the previous system whoever had the force there first got to claim the spawn. They would have claimed every raid spawn.

We're ready to leave poeple at spawns for 7 days to deal with this non sense camping issue.

[Wenai]

Originally Posted by Reiker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you kidding me? You obviously don't even know what's going on. Inglourious Basterds have been the first in Plane of Fear every single time. We've cleared the plane multiple times while Transcendence has barely killed any mobs in there. Immediately after the patch came up we called and texted our members and got 20+ people online at noon on a tuesday. We fucking put in the work for this Plane while Transcendence was still camping manastones in Guk. But now they get an equal shot for being scrubs?

Are you going to explain why you're implementing biased, NON-CLASSIC rules at your whim? I've been asking for an explanation for weeks but you can't come up with any besides "stop QQing."

This is really fucking unprofessional and you really need to go, man. If you worked 10x harder than some scrub guild and then they came along and GMs gave them anything they wanted you'd be pissed too so take you WoW terminology and your WoW "everyone should get a shot!" mentality, pack your bags, and take it back to WoW. This is EverQuest. There is supposed to be competition. You just don't fit here.

I really don't understand what you are going for.

I talked to you as a guild.

Aeolwind talked to you one on one.

Nilbog talked to you one on one.

You were given the same answer every single time. As soon as Secrets logs on the server you start trying to send tells to Secrets about this situation. Secrets has not been involved in this situation at all yet you were trying to get Secrets to somehow overturn something? You are really grasping at straws man.

You have been given the same answer every... single... time.

Oh it is actually funny btw. I have never played WoW.

[Allizia]

Originally Posted by Pyrocat [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The most fair way to handle it would be to ignore the situation entirely from a GMs perspective. Yes it will result in leapfrogging, yes it will possibly result in killstealing, but it's a preferably alternatively to 4 guilds each waiting 1 month for their naggy kill and their CT kill, which WILL happen if we folllow classic timeline for kunark coming out in one year.

I come from both a PVP server and Township Rebellion on live, I understand where you guys are coming from and what you are trying to do. We used to whipe the server clean daily of anything that resembled a raid mob for no other reason than to prevent any other guild from getting remotely close to us (loot rotted about 90% of the time). We were extremely effective at this, and the GM's eventually got tired of it and forced rotations on us (Yes, GM forced rotations on live).

This is not live though, these are not new encounters and this is a nostalgic representation of a 10 year old game. Is 4 guilds getting 1 Naggy a month any better then 1 guild getting 4 Naggy and the others get nothing? No. There are 300+ people on this server, and they will eventually want to experience the raid side of things.

I fully embrace and expect other guilds to get into the rotation, and I will support it and even offer advice if needed. For me, killing Naggy at this point is about as exciting as heating up a pizza, but I enjoy watching others experience it for the first time. The people on this server came to relive or experience(for the first time) classic, including the raids, not to watch IB/Trans kill Naggy for the 36th time.