Current state of World of Warcraft?

[heartbrand]

Originally Posted by Fawqueue [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Everything Heartbrand described about the current state of things was depressing. There's a goddamn 'finder' for everything now, and it just facilitates a lazy, bullshit shell of a game that used to be a lot of fun.

Warcraft needs to launch a classic server and remove all the nonsense.

I don't find the whole sitting around in a town for 2 hours to find the necessary people to play the game any fun. Luckily MMO devs agree and all new mmo's have finders for everything.

[Stasis04]

I'm pretty sure my war is on Tichondrius, I couldn't get immersed but I got my free 90 and I'm sure it'll happen someday, probably next expansion maybe sooner.

[Fawqueue]

Originally Posted by Mac Dretti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

gamers arn't in school anymore

majority of gamers are adults with jobs and aint got time for /1 LFG FOR GROUP PLZ SEND TELL for 2 hours

thats why everything has a queue these days

thats why classic exp on a 10 person server doesn't work

Oh I'm aware, I'm 31 with a full-time job, a kid, and life. Even still, I'd rather carve out some time to put together a group or raid force with like-minded guild members that I've had experience with and trust, as opposed to joining a queue of randoms who don't say a word and disappear into obscurity when it's finished.

It's a preference thing, I'm aware that the new-school of gamers want things to be simple so they can get the full experience in a fraction of the time. I personally get a greater sense of achievement when I'm a part of something incredibly organized and social. I'm not necessarily saying what I enjoy is better...just that I enjoyed WoW more in it's earlier state and it's depressing to me (and maybe me only) that it's changed so drastically.

[heartbrand]

Originally Posted by Mac Dretti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

guilds still exist where u can do things with your guild

finder is there for casuals that have a couple hours to just hop in pewpew and hop out

they are 2 different play styles to cater to 2 different types of players

neither affect each other so both can be happy

[Obwin]

Thanks Heartbrand for the reply, that was exactly the feedback I was looking for. TBH all the errands you listed to get back into things sounds kind of like a chore especially the LFR queues where you just roflstomp everything. I like the fact that I can just jump in and get going right away but eventually would just want to raid with the same group of 10 or 25 people each week.

I came back to Red with rebirth of Red Dawn which was a lot of fun for a while but now hardly anyone I met even logs in and the cost/benefit of continuing at this point is too high (unless something changes).

I did play MoP on release and have a 90 resto druid and a close to max (or max?) resto sham. Would probably come back as one of those. Care to comment on which is the most promising at this point?

*edit* may have to checkout Final Fantasy too.

[Fawqueue]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't find the whole sitting around in a town for 2 hours to find the necessary people to play the game any fun. Luckily MMO devs agree and all new mmo's have finders for everything.

And I'm not surprised they agree, since they want to market their products to the audience that will net them the biggest profit. I may be too old-school in the way I want to do things, but the next generation absolutely needs these things arranged and spoon fed to them. My son is 13, and can't barely handle cooperating with four other random players in a match of league of legends. I couldn't imagine him actually trying to put together a team of his own.

In twenty years the genre will change again and my son will be complaining about how much he misses the good ol' days when MMOs had raid finders, maps, and easy-mode quest markers. All the while his son will tell him that the whole sitting around in a queue for 2 minutes to find the necessary people to play the game with isn't any fun and lucklly MMO devs agree. That's why they'll have one-hit kill legendary boss mobs in an empty room that require no groups for instant gratification.

[Obwin]

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Originally Posted by Fawqueue [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My son is 13, and can't barely handle .

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[heartbrand]

In logic and critical thinking, a slippery slope is a logical device, but is usually known under its fallacious form in which a person asserts that some event must inevitably follow from another without any rational argument or demonstrable mechanism for the inevitability of the event in question. A slippery slope argument states that a relatively small first step leads to a chain of related events culminating in some significant effect, much like an object given a small push over the edge of a slope sliding all the way to the bottom.

[VincentVolaju]

If you want to play WoW the only server Id recommend atm is Emerald Dream classic server, its progressed content kinda like this EQ one, and is by far the most popular "classic like" server. When I quit 5-6 months or so ago, ZG had just came out and was cleared, bwl been on farm for quite awhile also. AQ will be coming out next, but I haven't been around in months to see when that would be.

I couldn't play retail WoW just because of how insane the #s are now, people have like literally hundreds of thousands of HP, you shoot a fireball or something and its like "BOOM, 600,000 dmg!" so retarded. The next exp pack they plan to change that and lower it all down to about what it used to be in WoTLK, so it might be worth trying again then. So imo your only option is Emerald Dream while you wait for either exp pack, or for Core Craft to be released.

[Fawqueue]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In logic and critical thinking, a slippery slope is a logical device, but is usually known under its fallacious form in which a person asserts that some event must inevitably follow from another without any rational argument or demonstrable mechanism for the inevitability of the event in question. A slippery slope argument states that a relatively small first step leads to a chain of related events culminating in some significant effect, much like an object given a small push over the edge of a slope sliding all the way to the bottom.

Very true, although slippery slope arguments are often more interesting because nothing is required to make them beyond a clear logical path. It doesn't matter if it ends up being accurate or not. =P

And I'm not trying to detour or derail what the original poster was asking for, and I'm glad he got some information. I just read your state of the game in the earlier part of the thread and realized how far things have travelled from when I last played...and it's a bummer. I never said it 'sucks' or is in any way horrible for everyone. I'm just the victim of nostalgia, and pining for the way things used to be.