What should a new necro spend 650pp on?

[Vexenu]

It's true that breaking rooms with charm is an example of where it's nice to have a big mana pool, but even a HP stacked Necro should be fine it those situations, because you aren't factoring in the med time you get while killing. Also, having the VP clicky changes the calculus entirely. If you're able to spam that thing whenever then it's no wonder you're devaluing the importance of HP. I've never used one but I can't imagine that the mana free lifetap is anything less than a total game changer.

I mean the argument essentially boils down to the fact that running out of mana is bad, but running out of hitpoints is worse. And it's much easier to anticipate going OOM than it is to anticipate a drop in hitpoints, and smart play can make up for a lower mana pool on a Necro (since you can regen mana so quickly) easier than you can make up for low hp (since you tend to lose hp quickly when things go badly which are often beyond your control, like getting resists or charm breaks).

[Nietche]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's true that breaking rooms with charm is an example of where it's nice to have a big mana pool, but even a HP stacked Necro should be fine it those situations, because you aren't factoring in the med time you get while killing. Also, having the VP clicky changes the calculus entirely. If you're able to spam that thing whenever then it's no wonder you're devaluing the importance of HP. I've never used one but I can't imagine that the mana free lifetap is anything less than a total game changer.

I mean the argument essentially boils down to the fact that running out of mana is bad, but running out of hitpoints is worse. And it's much easier to anticipate going OOM than it is to anticipate a drop in hitpoints, and smart play can make up for a lower mana pool on a Necro (since you can regen mana so quickly) easier than you can make up for low hp (since you tend to lose hp quickly when things go badly which are often beyond your control, like getting resists or charm breaks).

The VP stick is not a spam stick as it has a long cast time. It's actually worse than vexing in terms of immediate hps, as it is a splurt life tap (to 110 when it falls off). Vexing is 111 per tick.

But it is a game changer in terms of my not having to use a lot of mana. I won't argue that. However, before I had the stick and when I used vexing, I almost never ran out of mana as I always stacked mana over hps.

Pro tip: when charming, use screaming terror before attempting a re-charm.

In a fight:

1.) Not running out of mana = not running out of hps. There's no getting around it. Aside from impossibly bad luck or carelessness (e.g., bad pull/stuff spawns on you), if you have a decent mana pool, you should never run out of hps.

2.) Running out of mana = running out of hps. If you don't have enough mana to root or fd, you're probably going to die (definitely if in a dungeon). If you do have enough mana to fd, the next 10-15 minutes will be spent at the cost of efficiency (i.e., you won't be killing anything at 1hp/1mana per tick regen).

In the times when Everquest just hates your guts, neither mana nor hps will save you.

[Magrim]

For the record im almost level 8 and you guys are getting way off topic. If you think you I should stack mana then SUGGEST ITEMS.

Someone saying I should save it is stupid, ITEMS DONT BIND. I can spend as much as I want resell whenever I feel necessary. Not to mention people seem to give me money all the time, a 60 shaman gave me 100pp for buying him 5 stacks of bat wings.

I'll cry about being a human necro when i see an iksar necro doing so much, wait no i won't ill remember he had to spend 23% more time grinding.

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by Magrim [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can spend as much as I want

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[Tann]

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I'll cry about being a human necro when i see an iksar necro doing so much, wait no i won't ill remember he had to spend 23% more time grinding.

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[Nietche]

Originally Posted by Magrim [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll cry about being a human necro when i see an iksar necro doing so much, wait no i won't ill remember he had to spend 23% more time grinding.

I think we have all been smote by a troll.

[Magrim]

If there "aren't any necros besides iksar" I will really have to touch on the complete shi*t game design. (sorry fan boys) It is especially unnerving to consider that iksar came with an expansion and therefore all those necros that had rolled before them were now "obsolete". If an additional 8hp per tick breaks my character I'll reroll or ill quit, its not like i have any money invested into this.

edit// if we could get back to the discussion at hand....what good +mana items were those that thought mana should be stacked suggesting?

[littlebobby3]

Lol I'm a gnome and idc about iksar regen but yeah.

As far as gear goes getting some of those rings is a good idea ... 55hp 5ac ... They help a ton. But don't forget to save money for spells start costing about 4-7pp each at 20+ I believe so yeah.

[loramin]

There's a very rabid (which doesn't make them correct) group of people here on the forums who believe the only way to play this game is the most min/max way possible. Since Iksar is the most min/max race for Necros AT LEVEL 60, that crowd has no sympathy for anyone who is more interested in getting to 60 quicker, or in playing a character who is slightly less powerful than they could be when/if they someday reach level 60.

Ignore them. Play whatever you want. And like I said, save at least a little money because there will be something (bags, spells, food ... well maybe not food, that's cheap, but you get the idea) that you'll want at level 30 or whenever and you'll be glad you didn't spend all the plat right away. Well, unless you get lucky and get given some more plat [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[loramin]

Also, since I don't think anyone's mentioned it yet, you might want to check out the 1k twink guide in the wiki:

http://wiki.project1999.com/Ravager%27s_1k_Twink_Guide