Dalnir

[Ugrask]

Well, I guess they probably think it's broken since it doesnt work like that for us. NPC's cheat!

[Rhambuk]

Originally Posted by Calibix [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is kind of stupid. Its funny how many people complain its broken though, when its actually supposed to work like that per classic.

I never really pulled pre luclin so never encountered this in true classic. it really sucks though

[Calibix]

Originally Posted by Ugrask [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well, I guess they probably think it's broken since it doesnt work like that for us. NPC's cheat!

What do you mean? Its working the same as it always did, like it did in classic. It doesn't get changed until later as another poster mentioned. It should never change on this server, ie not broken.

It is a logically stupid mechanic, I agree with that. But its not broken. And get a bard to pull, problem solved.

[Ugrask]

Not sure I understand what you're trying to say. I understand that from his post. I merely said I can see why I thought it was broken or others have...because if something moves for us I've gotten the cant see target before. So people probably(as I did) think that it's broken. And NPCs Cheat...as a joke.

[Calibix]

Originally Posted by Ugrask [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not sure I understand what you're trying to say. I understand that from his post. I merely said I can see why I thought it was broken or others have...because if something moves for us I've gotten the cant see target before. So people probably(as I did) think that it's broken. And NPCs Cheat...as a joke.

Just a matter of perspective then. From my perspective, its not broke because it's as it should be per classic timeline. From your perspective it is broke because it not working as devs intended (or they wouldn't have fixed it in Luclin iirc).

I think we can both agree it is kind of a dumb mechanic though. NPC's do cheat. They also run through walls.

[Ugrask]

Nah I think we're on the same page. I didn't know it was like that in classic, so I thought it was broken. I had barely gotten thirty by time Velious came out, so I hadn't experienced much.

I mostly thought it was broken...cause say I go to cast root/snare and the mob loops a corner, I can't even though I had already started the spell. Whereas I can get nuked from a mile away through corridors haha.

[Hollywood]

Well don't think is about Dalnir anymore!

Originally Posted by Roth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You give a lot of good info, but I want to give my own experience on a few points. First off I would say you can start dalnir at 30 and you should start kaesora at 34 or 35. Kaesora is a little risker and has some higher conning mobs. Secondly, I think bard works fine in place of a chanter but you do need mez to go down to the 2nd floor safely. The first floor you don't need cc as long as you have an fd puller. I don't think you need a cleric but you do need at least 2 healers... 3 healers will help, but your group needs strong dps to burn down casters quickly

You can start Dalnir at 30 yes, and even a bit before depending on the floor.

I would half way agree with you about Kaesora, in that the spiders on the way to the library, are tougher and problematic. Fortunately there's only two rooms (just the first one that's a bit tough with the three mobs).

Remember, I am speaking under the premise that you take the short (left) drop, not the long one to the bottom.

It's safe to say 30+ would be best for both zones - particularly with the tank/puller and enchanter being highest.

[Wrench]

Originally Posted by Calibix [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just a matter of perspective then. From my perspective, its not broke because it's as it should be per classic timeline. From your perspective it is broke because it not working as devs intended (or they wouldn't have fixed it in Luclin iirc).

I think we can both agree it is kind of a dumb mechanic though. NPC's do cheat. They also run through walls.

where is nirgon in this thread?

this wasnt intended by the devs, this mechanic was a BUG!!!11

[Skittlez]

Where the fuck is my Dalnir group?!?!?!?!?