If I invite you to a group and you are not fine with greed rolling

[Miser]

Paul, I'm guessing that you've literally never been in a seb king group? I could see not wanting someone to win a 2nd and 3rd LORE item in a group, but not letting someone roll because they have an item (that helps the group btw) is just unrealistic.

[Doors]

Great thread, excellent post.

[Mac Dretti]

Naw U should be happy slaying npcs for no reward, I mean if you already have a heiro cloak you should be there killing heirophant because you enjoy the journey and the camaraderie of working with other people.

[BigHurb]

mine mine mine mine mine me me me me me

[Teerian]

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Click disband. I'm sick and fucking tired of people bitching about someone winning multiple drops. Items vary in value too much for trade-up looting to make any sense. If someone rolls and wins a Hierophant's Cloak, yes they get to roll and win level 60 spells from the Emperor. That's how it works. I won't allow people to corpse items if they're lore, but as far as I'm concerned someone can roll and win every non-lore drop in my group and if you bitch about it I'm going to drop you.

First off, the group that this post stems from was not even your group to lead. You did not form the group. You did not assume leadership at any point during the group after you joined. That simple fact alone says "Shut up."

Second, as others have already pointed out in one way or another, such an act is greedy. It has nothing to do with equal value, and using the argument that items aren't the same value as an excuse for one person to get MORE value is a level of stupidity that shames even the lowest of life forms. It's about trying to allow everyone in the group to walk away with something to reward them for their contribution. On the very rare occasions that I win something of even mediocre value, I pass on everything from that point on unless: A) Most of the group is replaced. B) It's a rot item no one really cares about. C) It's an item I want more, at which point I offer up the item I previously won if I happen to win the new drop.

You argued that everyone "should have a fair chance at drops" and the like. That's true. What you don't seem to understand is when a valuable item drops and you win it, you had a fair chance and used it up by winning something. Others still haven't won anything. You no longer have a "fair" shot left. Anything you attempt to roll for from that point on without some kind of drastic change to the group or compromise is an act of pure selfishness beyond just trying to better one's character through an upgrade or money for upgrades.

Your guildy won a cloak. Congratulations to him. No problems there. The moment he rolled on a 60 spell or anything else of decent value, however, he threw a big "fuck you" into the faces of everyone else in the group, especially the guy who would have won otherwise. If you want to suck his dick over it, go ahead, but you're still wrong. As of this post, I think it's safe to say you've reached twat status.

[paulgiamatti]

Originally Posted by Teerian [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

First off, the group that this post stems from was not even your group to lead. You did not form the group. You did not assume leadership at any point during the group after you joined. That simple fact alone says "Shut up."

This post doesn't stem from any particular grouping.

Originally Posted by Teerian [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Second, as others have already pointed out in one way or another, such an act is greedy. It has nothing to do with equal value, and using the argument that items aren't the same value as an excuse for one person to get MORE value is a level of stupidity that shames even the lowest of life forms.

It's about trying to allow everyone in the group to walk away with something to reward them for their contribution. On the very rare occasions that I win something of even mediocre value, I pass on everything from that point on unless: A) Most of the group is replaced. B) It's a rot item no one really cares about. C) It's an item I want more, at which point I offer up the item I previously won if I happen to win the new drop.

This doesn't make any sense because Person A just rolled on a 1k item and won, not knowing that a few minutes later a 40k item is going to drop. So now they have to trade-up a 1k item in exchange for a 40k item? Why even bother?

Sometimes you group and you get nothing. Sometimes you group and you win things. This is just such an easier system than squabbling over which items should be traded up which, even if done efficiently, still doesn't reconcile glaring inconsistencies because of how the game is itemized.

Originally Posted by Teerian [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You argued that everyone "should have a fair chance at drops" and the like. That's true. What you don't seem to understand is when a valuable item drops and you win it, you had a fair chance and used it up by winning something. Others still haven't won anything. You no longer have a "fair" shot left. Anything you attempt to roll for from that point on without some kind of drastic change to the group or compromise is an act of pure selfishness beyond just trying to better one's character through an upgrade or money for upgrades.

Again, if people insist on adhering to a trade-up system in groups I'm leading that's fine, but I'm not going to mandate it and I'm not going to tolerate people who complain about it not being enforced. There are many of us, myself included, who would much rather just play, roll, and move on.

Originally Posted by Teerian [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your guildy won a cloak. Congratulations to him. No problems there. The moment he rolled on a 60 spell or anything else of decent value, however, he threw a big "fuck you" into the faces of everyone else in the group, especially the guy who would have won otherwise. If you want to suck his dick over it, go ahead, but you're still wrong. As of this post, I think it's safe to say you've reached twat status.

I did use this scenario as an example but to be honest it wasn't this argument we had that compelled me to make a post. It was more because of the many times I'd been grouped and won two or three small items in a streak of good rolls only to be met with a slew whining and complaining. If I win a fungi/hiero, yes I'm going to pass on other *big* drops from then on, but I'm not going to complain when someone else doesn't.

Also, thank you to the many people who have sent me encouraging tells in game.

[Miser]

Camping at spawns aside,... are you saying someone should be punished for playing the class a group needs or their other alt?

[hatelore]

I think it's fair to say that: If you have an alt of every class over level 5 you should be able to need before greed on every item that drops. Be fair people, alts are people two~

[isiah]

Paul G is a scumbucket.

[isiah]

This dude be greeding on some welfare loots that someone could have used. Tool bag.