Game Mechanics: Pets don't hold hate like they should: Copious amounts of EVIDENCE

[Potus]

Why did you break them 1-50 over raids?

Also that's not classic. Disappointed you'd ruin 2-4 caster classes over end game stuff.

[baalzy]

https://forums.station.sony.com/eq/i...et-aggro.3227/ (2013 discussion after an aggro-meter was added to Live and people realized how much hate pets were generating)

To this day people are commenting on the fact that pet aggro is insanely huge. (theres 10 pages of discussion of tanks bitching pets stealing aggro). The discussion in this thread kinda puts to bed the rule of 4 stuff. At least, the rule of 4 no longer exists (or doesn't exist in new content).

Couple gems:

Yes, there's a reason...pets are used in more than just raid situations, and they actually need to hold aggro in some of those situations while players nuke from range. Can you imagine how well a mage would solo without a pet that could hold aggro over his nukes?

Pets follow different agro rules than PC's, so basically no, a warrior will never out-agro a pet, even if they are top agro.

It's funny bc pet aggro hasn't changed. It's just you can see it now.

How did we deal with this in the past? No1 brought it up and only pet classes knew the aggro issues.

Been in-game for quite some time, need to get over it by now.

Originally Posted by https://forums.station.sony.com/eq/index.php?threads/pet-aggro.3227/page-3

As for aggro. We will continue to monitor pet aggro, but generally they are doing what they should for the sake of solo pet class play. This does lead to excessive aggro in group and raid play. As people have mentioned in this thread, there are ways that the pet user can deal with this aggro as they need.

This one is a developer response.

[Kazi]

So nerfs that hurt players are justified as classic, but stuff that helps players is nerfed in an unclassic fashion that breaks a whole class? Wut

[Asap]

Originally Posted by Kazi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So nerfs that hurt players are justified as classic, but stuff that helps players is nerfed in an unclassic fashion that breaks a whole class? Wut

I understand the frustration, but let's not turn this thread into RnF

[diplo]

i support this cause.

[element08]

Originally Posted by diplo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i support this cause.

edit: just so this isn't just me too-ing I appreciate the time you put into pulling that info together baalzy. I remember when mages would get yelled at in groups for not turning off pet taunt on live.

[Skydash]

Found this interesting in the patch notes here:

"Fixed the way that NPCs were treating pets. They were accrediting more hate to pets than they should have." - June 29, 2001

[Iumuno]

Originally Posted by Skydash [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Found this interesting in the patch notes here:

"Fixed the way that NPCs were treating pets. They were accrediting more hate to pets than they should have." - June 29, 2001

That's actually fixing the previous patch. For a few days (weeks?), pets had insane aggro. That patch just reverted it back to normal aggro.

[baalzy]

Originally Posted by Skydash [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Found this interesting in the patch notes here:

"Fixed the way that NPCs were treating pets. They were accrediting more hate to pets than they should have." - June 29, 2001

Following fixes have been added in the emergency patch of June 29, 2001:
Fixed the bug with feign death spells that was causing it to fail and sending a "Your spell has been interrupted" message.
Fixed the way that NPCs were treating pets. They were accrediting more hate to pets than they should have.

Patched on the 27th. Emergency patch on the 29th to fix the aggro problem introduced on the 27th.

[Babayaaga]

This needs attention.

Easiest fix seems to be to disallow taunt functionality on pets for raid encounter bosses. Unless, of course, this is a shared value with player classes, I can't see why this would not have been a better fix in the first place.

I think it's ridiculous that 55+ "root rotting" and charming are among the top on the list of desirability for soloing, and spots where this can be done are extremely limited. I fondly remember going from 55-60 in Skyfire on Live, which without pet taunt is an exercise in rebuff frustration.

Fix this please.